The article resonated with me, because it highlighted the hypocrisy of a
government I happen to oppose.
But I'm equally concerned about the way that messages come over from the
other side.
I was astonished at the number of people whose only enduring memory of
Keating was his 'beastly' language - and, as we know, this is an issue for
Latham that he's seen fit to make a commitment on.

So to church!  I don't believe that most people believe the church has
declined because young people want to be rude.
But neither do I think that rudeness *attracts*.
Being real, being authentic, sure - but above all, showing genuine caring -
does.

I get the idea that some people think they're being 'false' if their
behaviour changes in church.
They may use fewer swear words, that sort of thing.
I remember a time when we were hearing a lot of obscenities amongst our
contemporary church crowd.
I think it was an attempt to maintain integrity, because they'd use the
language elsewhere, and God's everywhere, right?
But, to me it seemed 'false'; too self-conciously provocative.

It's the intent that matters.  And understanding the effect of the
communication.

Delicate language - 'weasel-words', if you like - can help people if their
intent is understood on both sides.
But if the object is to avoid addressing matters that need to be discussed,
that's a problem.
(I'm thinking of those teacher's report card comments that have been in the
Herald's Column 8 lately.  They could be sorted into both groups!)

Showing genuine care involves practical courtesy.
Words and actions are powerful and can be abused by the dominant and the
oppressed alike.
To be a 'safe place', church people of all backgrounds need to trust and to
feel trusted.
That's where church needs to differ from the adversarial, political scene
(which thrives on difference and distrust).
Maybe we *do* need a modern book of etiquette: one that explains where the
different camps are coming from.
Then the senders and receivers of communication can start to meet each other
half way.

David



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Niall McKay
Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2004 14:58
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Subject: politeness and civility




hi all
interesting comments on politeness and 'civility' (and nice?ness?)

no wonder I get in trouble with my mother-in-law so much

niall

PS - its on the church list because I hear the 'we need to be more
civil' and 'the young people
are just rude' so often as the reason for the decline in the church...


from the article

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/31/1075340877463.html

Civility has a host of meanings, and generations often differ sharply in
the way they interpret behaviour. No one would disagree that we should
be kinder, and more considerate. But the one constant is that calls from
the powerful for civility are usually made for a political purpose - one
which it is not always easy to be polite about.



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