Iljitsch, 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:21 AM
>To: Templin, Fred L
>Cc: Internet Area
>Subject: Re: [Int-area] FW: [RRG] Subnetwork Encapsulation and 
>AdaptationLayer (SEAL)
>
>On 4 mrt 2008, at 17:14, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>
>>> But the part that really bothers me is that there will ALWAYS be
>>> fragmentation even when the source host would have been perfectly
>>> capable of reducing its packet size.
>
>> Turning back to this, the current SEAL draft is silent
>> on behavior in the face of persistent fragmentation. From
>> "Fragmentation Considered Harmful", the pain point is gross
>> fragmentation in the presence of congestion, since the loss
>> of a single fragment will result in the whole packet being
>> retransmitted causing yet further congestion. Approaches to
>> handling this include 1) drop large packets, and tell sources
>> to start sending smaller ones, 2) treat the loss of fragments
>> as a congestion indication, 3) some combination of the two.
>
>If I were an implementer, what I'd probably look at is making a  
>separate, shorter queue for packets that cause the encapsulated packet

>to be fragmented and send too bigs for those if there is a tail drop.

Maybe you could say more about this; one thing for sure
we do not want is gross reordering of packets.

Fred
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