Hi Joe,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Touch [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:11 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Ronald Bonica; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/26/2015 3:00 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:11 PM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Ronald Bonica; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> >> Cc: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/25/2015 4:01 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> I have proposed  sending PTB with MTU less than 1280 before as well:
> >>>
> >>>     http://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-templin-6man-linkadapt-01.txt
> >>>
> >>> The idea is to enlist the original source’s aid in easing the frag/reass
> >>> burdens from the tunnel ingress and egress.
> >>
> >> IMO, PTB is the wrong message for that.
> >
> > What we have today is a "Type 0" PTB message.
> 
> There are may types for both IPv4 and IPv6.
> 
> For IPv4, e.g., PTB is type 3, code 4.
> 
> For IPv6, it would be type 2, code 0.

"type 2, code 0" is what I meant when I said "Type 0", yes.

> > What I proposed was a "Type 1" PTB message.
> 
> For IPv6, did you mean type 2, code 1?

Yes; "type 2, code 1" is what I meant when I said "Type 1".

> The problem is that legacy receivers will interpret type 2 and ignore
> the code.

Yes, but I do not see a problem. If the size reported in the PTB is less than
1280 the source will send subsequent messages as "atomic fragments" per
Section 5 of RFC2460. The tunnel ingress will then know that it is dealing
with a legacy source, and will fragment the payload packet using the
fragment header conveniently provided by the source.

> If you want a new kind of message that is a "soft" "too big", you'd need
> to define a new type.

I don't agree, since legacy sources will not be harmed and will in fact
still benefit if they fail to distinguish the two message codes.

Thanks - Fred
[email protected]

> Regardless of how it's created, you're talking about a new message, and
> that's out of scope for this doc (and this thread).
> 
> Joe
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