Hi,

My first question is not whether it's a good idea to build an IP VPN over
IP tunnels, because I'm sure it is. It is more whether we actually need
a BCP describing how to do it, rather than just, say, open-source code
for a VRF instance that does this.

I think that question is definitely worth exploring, and is probably a big
enough question to deserve a BOF (not necessarily a WG-forming BOF). But
that needs to be based on a more problem-oriented and analytic draft, I think.
It definitely needs expertise from the Transport Area as well as the Internet
Area, to get the congestion management right.

For the moment, I am quite unable to judge whether the proposal in this draft
to use GRE-in-UDP or GUE is the best answer. I also don't really understand
the security model. There is some discussion of IPsec tunnels and RFC3884.
If we use IPsec tunnels, why would we need DTLS? For that matter, if we use
TLS tunnels, why would we need DTLS?

I'm also quite unable to know how to position this proposal compared to
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-aerolink which has been
in development for several years. They seem to tackle some of the same
problems.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter


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