I thought we had already agreed that if it makes sense to log IP address, it 
makes sense to log source port (ref: 
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg06389.html)?

Recommendations that support that position would be a useful thing that the 
IETF could say, no? That’s basically what’s in my document. 

daveor

> On 26 Apr 2018, at 16:03, Ted Lemon <mel...@fugue.com> wrote:
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Dave O'Reilly <r...@daveor.com> wrote:
>> No, you’re absolutely right about that. However I do not think that this has 
>> any bearing on the relevance of the recommendations in my document. 
> 
> I think this is the crux of the disagreement.
> 
>> In response to this point I refer back to one of my comments yesterday - the 
>> argument you’re making seems to be that as long as repressive regimes exist 
>> then privacy must trump all other considerations. The conclusion of this 
>> argument would seem to be that unless and until we all live in a democratic 
>> utopia then we can take no action to assist law enforcement. I do not except 
>> this. There is middle ground where law enforcement in democratic countries 
>> can be assisted without compromising the privacy of those who need it - I am 
>> of the opinion that my document lives in that middle ground. 
> 
> Yes, but the question is not whether your document is useful in that context, 
> but whether it is useful in the context that the IETF has to consider.   Of 
> course it makes sense to write a FIPS document or something that specifies 
> what you are trying to specify.   FIPS is specific to the U.S., and would not 
> be applicable in other jurisdictions.
> 
> The question is, is there something useful that the IETF can say about this 
> without it becoming a basis for arguments for legitimacy in repressive 
> contexts.
> 

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