> On Feb 27, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
>> IP end to end does not mean the IP address is constant end to end. It never 
>> has meant that and never will.
>  
> Actually, that's the only thing it ever meant and always will. When addresses 
> change, *by definition*, the*ends* change (and yes, that's what NATs do - 
> they create end-to-end CONTENT transfer over separate end-to-end Internets).
> 
> By whose definition? Not by mine.

I’d start with RFCs 791 and 1122, but there’s also the pseudo header in RFC 
793, to be very specific.

> TCP and TLS give me a reliable end-to-end stream. The fact that the IP 
> address is exposed is merely an unfortunate defect in the legacy APIs. 
> 
> As the application layer designer, I am the customer here. I do not care 
> about the IP address.

Hmmm. By what value do you call  TCP endpoint?

You must have magic sockets that don’t actually refer to IP addresses.

Joe

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