From: Int-area <[email protected]> on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke) 
<[email protected]>
Sent: 23 September 2020 15:02

In another century, DECnet phase 4 was also changing the MAC address (and if 
not mistaken IBM SNA also) but flipping the universal/local bit of the MAC 
address

<tp>
Not so much SNA as token ring which almost always used configured local 
addresses (which made management so much easier).  SNA did not care much about 
layer 2 as long as it was fast and reliable.  SNA over DIX Ethernet or over 
802.3 I would expect to see using universal (burnt-in) addresses.

Tom Petch

-éric

From: Int-area <[email protected]> on behalf of Stewart Bryant 
<[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 12:38
To: Andy Smith <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP 
applications

So I am curious, and probably out of touch.

MAC addresses are supposed to be unique hardware device addresses  that 
ultimately come from a registry administered by IEEE and are supposed to be 
allocated exactly once to one hardware entity.

Is MAC address randomisation something that IEEE approve of, in which case how 
does the registry work, or are we at risk of working on a problem that results 
in an interSDO dispute?

- Stewart




On 22 Sep 2020, at 21:22, Andy Smith 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Yiu-

I’d like to help here.   Is the problem that residential devices can’t be 
reliably tracked for purposes of policy enforcement?     Or is it an IP address 
depletion issue?

I noticed iOS 14 does allow for disabling of random MAC addresses.

Andy


Sent with emacs for iOS


On Sep 22, 2020, at 15:50, Lee, Yiu 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi team,

We proposed a BoF. The agenda is in 
https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/109-Agenda.md and the 
proposal is in 
https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/BoF-Proposal-20200918.md. 
You can also find the draft here 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-randomized-macaddr-ps-01.

At this stage, we are looking for inputs for more use cases and interests of 
working together in this domain. Please post your comments in the mailing list.

Thanks


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