Hi Heikki, 

I guess Jari wants us to continue this point on the int-area list so I'll
respond to both.
See below.

 > Hesham Soliman wrote:
 > > Regardless of the approach, the solution we had in mind 
 > would transfer flow
 > > descriptions and binding information between the flow in 
 > question and one or
 > > more of the mobile node's addresses. The sender of this 
 > information is the
 > > mobile node. The receiver is either a correspondent node or another
 > > intermediate node. If we use the terms HA/MAP then we're 
 > implying the use of
 > > MIPv6. So I'll stick to generic language.
 > 
 > ==> I think that the solution you describe in your draft for flow 
 > bindings might be enough for MIPv6 but it is not sufficient 
 > for instance 
 > in NEMO case (or other non MIPv6 intermediate node case). In 
 > the flow 
 > binding draft it is mandatory for the intermediate node to 
 > be able to 
 > receive a BU message, right?
 > 
 > In NEMO the MNN cannot send a BU message to the MR so the 
 > MNN. Because 
 > of this you would need to write another draft (which would 
 > resemble I 
 > think the one or both of the alternative solutions). Or 
 > change the NEMO 
 > so the MNN can send BU to the MR?

=> No no no :). You've skipped a lot of steps here. First of all, the
current solution does support nemo because the signalling can be sent from
the MR to the HA/MAP. As you probably know nemo does not allow the MR to
send BUs to a CN, so this fully supports nemo. Now, your second point is
about an MNN sending a BU. First, lets be clear that the MNN does not send
BUs to the MR in any spec defined today, so the BU would have to be sent
from the MNN to a CN/HA/MAP. I don't see why this can't be done in
draft-soliman. If you mean that the MNN (more likely a VMN) needs to know
what properties correspond to which prefix advertised by the MR then this
goes back to a separate issue of how the MR informs MNNs of the properties
associated with advertised prefixes. This issue was raised many years ago
(when nemo was a bof) and was recently referred to by Thierry in his
response to a query about this point. Thierry's response was on this thread
so feel free to take a look. 

So the bottom line is the MIPv6 solution does support this case. 

 > 
 > Just as an example. In NEMO the MNN might have a need to set the 
 > preferred routes for it's traffic into the MR. For instance, 
 > think of a 
 > case where the MNN is a laptop and the user uses a cellular 
 > phone with 
 > multiple interfaces as a MR. In this scenario the user most 
 > certainly 
 > would expect some control over the application flows from the laptop 
 > trough the phone.

=> Of course, so if it gets the prefixes from the MR and associated
properties with each one it can make that choice. I don't see the
relationship between this issue and the current discussion on this thread. 

Hesham



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