Yoshihiro Ohba wrote, around 12/10/07 5:50 AM:
> I don't understand why "reinstalling filters" is needed here.  The
> sequence I am thinking is as follows: In the initial state (i.e.,
> before PANA authentication), filters are open for DHCP and PANA only.
> After PANA authentication, filters for binding the MAC address and
> service IP address as well as routes are installed and another DHCP
> delivers the service IP address to the client.
>   
That would require PANA snooping on every switch that does Option 82
insertion and DHCP snooping today.
It would also require a suite of new features on those switches to
filter at the IP layer protocol. Current switches do MAC IP matching and
security features around those two on a per port basis.
This is where the PANA proposal breaks down as it requires every element
in the network to change.

- Ric


> Yoshihiro Ohba
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 08:32:15PM +0200, Mark Townsley wrote:
>   
>> Stig Venaas wrote:
>>     
>>> Eric Voit (evoit) wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> Two of the reasons the DSLF is asking for DHCP Auth to be considered by
>>>> the IETF are that:
>>>>
>>>> (1) PANA does not meet IPAuth-14 "Must allow for authentication and
>>>> download of subscriber service profile before service IP address is
>>>> assigned."  IPAuth14 is from the earlier DSLF liaison document to which
>>>> Mark referred.
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> It says service IP address. I suppose you could possibly get an initial
>>> IP address that allows you to do PANA but not much else, and then after
>>> you are authenticated you would get the service IP address?
>>>  
>>>       
>> Possibly. But, remember that the auth step in DHCP is mostly rounding 
>> out use cases for the operational model that is already in place for DSL 
>> without PPP. The current model uses Option 82 inserted in the DHCP 
>> Discover message transiting the network to authenticate the subscriber 
>> line before IP addresses are assigned, routes installed, and filters 
>> opened up (binding a MAC address to an IP address) along the path 
>> between the home and the BRAS. Auth in DHCP allows additional 
>> credentials from equipment on the residential side of the subscriber 
>> line to be used by AAA, rather than relying on credentials inserted by 
>> the DSLAM alone. Allowing an IP address to be assigned, opening filters 
>> specifically for PANA/EAP alone (as well as inserting the same option 82 
>> information into PANA during transit, as this will certainly come next 
>> for cases where RG+DSLAM credentials are necessary at the same time) 
>> then changing that IP address on the fly, reinstalling filters, etc, is 
>> a rather significant change in the currently deployed behavior for not a 
>> lot of gain from the provider's perspective.
>>
>> - Mark
>>     
>>> Stig
>>>
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