Isn't GMA 950 suitable for the WDDM compataible? If not theres a chance of me sticking to Window XP. I only wanted to use Window 7 for games :\ and maybe more stuff i suppose.
But didn't you say you could install Window XP Display Tool or something and unistall the Vista/7 display tool? Would that make all games able to work NEARLY as fast as XP? Or would certain errors come up? So theres a message to either install Aero or not when I get the OS disc? Or anyway to install it and use if for surfing and other stuff and then changing it or disabling manually while going gaming? On May 26, 8:24 pm, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, every OS has it's own graphics architecture, and needs specific > drivers to go with that system. Windows XP has its own drivers, as > does vista, and 7. Vista and 7 are nearly the same, so they can use > the same drivers on some devices (including Display Adapters, or > Graphics Cards). > > Vista and 7's graphics drivers use WDDM (windows display driver model) > and XP uses XPDM (xp display model i guess). > > Vista and 7 can support WDDM, LDDM (longhorn display driver model, I > guess for vista beta), and XPDM. XP however only supports XPDM. > > Vista and 7, when you do the rating thing, it only tests the graphics > card if it's WDDM compatible. And to be WDDM compatible, it must first > off be a standard Vista or 7 graphics driver. If the driver is not > WDDM compatible, the test will throw a 1.0 for Graphics and maybe > gaming performance (even if the XPDM driver is 100x better and stable > then WDDM) > > > > As for the drivers, 9xxssf is famous for the Alpha and Sigma drivers, > which are modified drivers for the 950GMA and 965 (x3100). These > drivers only work under Vista or 7, because they use WDDM (could be > wrong on this, but I know the drivers only work under Vista or 7). > > > > And Aero is a system-wide theme I guess. It uses the Desktop Windows > Manager, which I assume controls how Aero is rendered on-screen. > > Aero can take up LOTS of video memory, and because of this, video > memory is emulated. This feature is only available in WDDM drivers, > which is why XPDM drivers cannot use Aero (even if your card has 10GB > of video memory somehow). > > > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Philo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ahh right I get it now! But I dont get the Vista or 7 graphic drivers. > > Hmm where can I find window graphic drivers? What is the difference to > > Vista and 7 (Gaming performance is better I know :D) > > > Modded Window 7 Drivers?? > > > Isn't Aero a theme? > > > On May 25, 11:40 pm, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I mean that if you play a game that runs fine in XP for instance, you > >> will probably notice a slowdown in Vista or 7. You would only > >> experience this slowdown (if any) with Vista or 7 graphics drivers. > > >> If you install XP graphics drivers in VIsta or 7, you will get nearly > >> the same performance in the game you had in XP. > > >> For instance, I install WIndows 7. I have modded drivers for windows > >> 7. I try running WoW. I get 15 FPS. I uninstall the modded drivers and > >> install XP graphics drivers in windows 7. Then I run WoW, I get > >> 20-30FPS. > > >> Also when you install Windows 7, you could tell if you have Aero or > >> not turned on by looking at the taskbar for instance, if it's glassy > >> and transparant, then you have aero. If it's a solid blue bar, its > >> off, and probably cannot be enabled. > > >> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Philo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > So your saying if I wanted to play a Window Vista or 7 (as a example) > >> > game and played it in Window XP mode I will get these error etc? > > >> > How do I know if my system don't support aero and a non-WDDM driver, > >> > so my bluetooth,webcam and sim card modem can be effected?? > >> > I don't undersyand the last part 'if you already have it turned on > >> > when you go to install XP drivers, it will turn it off for you.' > > >> > On May 24, 10:14 pm, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> No no running in XP or 7 isn't illegal. I mean't that if a game were > >> >> to send a gfx instruction that wasn't compatible, it would be an > >> >> illegal operation because the graphics hardware won't know what to do > >> >> with that instruction, and it would crash. > > >> >> Also you could use GMABooster to see what your clock speed is at the > >> >> moment. You could change it if you wish also. > > >> >> And if your system doesn't support Aero, or if its using a non-WDDM > >> >> driver (any XP driver for instance) it won't allow you to even select > >> >> Aero. If you already have it turned on when you go to install XP > >> >> drivers, it will turn it off for you. > > >> >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Philo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > So I guess I just have to change theme then its all good in the hood? > >> >> > Or I could just close down explorer while gaming (: > > >> >> > So your saying that running in window xp on window 7 is illegal? > > >> >> > Alright! I pretty much understand the Tnl bit now! > >> >> > Oh btw, anyway how to check my graphic card speed (400mhz etc)? > >> >> > Dont recommend GMABooster ^_^, as I wanna see if it works or not since > >> >> > my friends in real life tried it and they saw an 20+ fps increase on > >> >> > whatever game they played! > > >> >> > On May 24, 9:33 pm, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Well, Aero is turned on by default if your card meets the > >> >> >> requirements > >> >> >> of WDDM, has 128MB of vram, and something else I think. You could > >> >> >> change your theme to basic though, or even classic. So Aero isn't > >> >> >> forced, but it looks quite nice. > > >> >> >> User Mode drivers, they communitcate with your hardware indirectly. > >> >> >> Theres a technical description of it on Wikipedia, but pretty much, > >> >> >> Kernel Mode drivers directly communitcate with hardware, resulting in > >> >> >> faster performance, but if your graphics card recieves/performs an > >> >> >> illegal action, it will crash the entire system with a Blue screen of > >> >> >> death (BSOD). > > >> >> >> User mode drivers communicate with something else before going to the > >> >> >> hardware, and this stops BSOD's, but because it has to communicate > >> >> >> with something else, it also reduces performance. > > >> >> >> Windows 7 Modded drivers, theres 2 sets, Alpha and SIgma. Sigma is > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> 965, Alpha is for 950GMA. 1 = 32-Bit OS, 2 = 64-Bit OS. > >> >> >> So for a 950GMA on a 32-Bit OS, you would need Alpha 1. Alpha 1 > >> >> >> enables the use of Software TnL, and whatever other features are > >> >> >> included in the 965 drivers (IncreasedFixedSegment, PipeOptimization, > >> >> >> etc) > > >> >> >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Philo <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > 1. The overclocking sounds like a good idea! But after a > >> >> >> > experience of > >> >> >> > overclocking my laptop and getting it fried, theres no way im going > >> >> >> > back to that experience again! Just in case, but thanks ^_^ > > >> >> >> > 2. I have though of getting the Window 7 Professional! But I don't > >> >> >> > know how to get rid of Aero Theme, unless you mean changing the > >> >> >> > theme > >> >> >> > into something else! User mode driver please explain as I didn't > >> >> >> > completely understand it such the BSOD and what happens then after > >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> > graphic driver crashes! > >> >> >> > Im sure tweaking should help me improve some of framerate like XP > >> >> >> > (: > > >> >> >> > 3. Modded 7 Driver? Explain please! & How to get modded 7 drivers? > > >> >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> >> > Philo > > >> >> >> > On May 24, 8:19 pm, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> 1. Overclocking > >> >> >> >> SetFSB works the best. I can OC my 1.6Ghz to 1.8GHz and it works > >> >> >> >> out ok. > > >> >> >> >> 2. Use XP graphics drivers in 7 > >> >> >> >> This works the best, and may even be the best solution for those > >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> >> want Windows 7, but want to play legacy games at XP speeds. You > >> >> >> >> have > >> >> >> >> no Aero Theme or User Mode drivers however (so if you graphics > >> >> >> >> driver > >> >> >> >> crashes, you get the BSOD instead of a graphics driver restart) > >> >> >> >> You > >> >> >> >> may still get a slightly lower FPS in games when compared to XP > >> >> >> >> though > >> >> >> >> because of other factors, but it would be nearly as fast. > > >> >> >> >> 3. If using Modded 7 Drivers, disable Software TnL > >> >> >> >> If your using a weaker CPU, SwTnL will make some legacy games go > >> >> >> >> slower (Unreal engine 1-2, Blizzard Entertainment games, GTA SA) > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Philo <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Is it possible to use any other programs for GTA SA to improve > >> >> >> >> > fps > >> >> >> >> > with Window 7, as I think its time to move on in the generation > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > just stick to the newer OS now! > > >> >> >> >> > On May 24, 11:04 am, "THEfog ." <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> I meant rendering speed on 7 that is lol, i seriously need to > >> >> >> >> >> read through > >> >> >> >> >> my posts BEFORE I send them lol not after. > > >> >> >> >> >> THEfog > > >> >> >> >> >> On 24/05/2010 7:15 PM, "Espionage724" <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> Without TnL emulation at all, WIndows XP would run CS:S better > >> >> >> >> >> then > >> >> >> >> >> Windows 7. But only 7 can emulate TnL on the 950GMA. > > >> >> >> >> >> And GTA: SA runs way better on XP then 7. > > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Philo > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > RE-EDIT MY RUSHED POST! > > >> >> >> >> >> ... > >> >> >> >> >> -- > > >> >> >> >> >> Espionage724 Has A Signature... > > >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> >> > 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> Espionage724 Has A Signature... > > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Espionage724 Has A Signature... > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> >> -- > >> >> Espionage724 Has A Signature... > > >> >> -- > >> >> 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> > -- > >> > 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > >> -- > >> Espionage724 Has A Signature... > > > -- > > 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS > > -- > Espionage724 Has A Signature... -- 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS
