haha yeah but I need to use the laptop for schoolwork to.. so 15" is carryable, don't want to brake my back on my way to school
On 22 sep, 22:25, tribaljet <[email protected]> wrote: > About 17" laptops, they were originally built for work scenarios, not > gaming. Meaning that if you get a weak 17" laptop, you will regret it > a lot. Usually it's best to buy a better equipped 15" laptop. If I > have the money, I'll get a proper 17 or 18" laptop, but that's if I > had such money, which is a lot and would allow me to buy 2 or 3 > smaller laptops :'( > > On Sep 22, 9:22 pm, MSI WIND <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yeah that's my understanding to it even rapes 9600 GT, but from what > > I'm understanding Nvidia has much beter features and games run better > > on Nvidia hardware. But the i3 processor is to weak for nowadays > > gaming, in combination with this ATI? Also I have to get a 15" see > > some good 17" systems coming by :( > > > On 22 sep, 22:13, Espionage724 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ATI Mobility Radeon HD > > > 5165http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5165.24579.0.html > > > > NVIDIA GeForce 9500M > > > GShttp://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9500M-GS.8167.0.html > > > > Unless theres something I'm missing here, the 5165 rapes the 9500M GS? > > > Maybe not total rape, but it's better in almost everything? > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Espionage724 <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > I'd probably just go with the Toshiba but I don't know much about > > > > recent Intel CPU's (i heard i3 is pretty low-end?) But if I saw those > > > > specs and someone asked me to choose I'd go with ATI graphics + i3. > > > > I'd have to look into the specs of both of em. > > > > > And when I said Intel before I mean't the CPU. > > > > > And np for the help, I actually wasn't too sure about the numbering on > > > > ati graphics (I thought higher numbers was instantly better lol) so i > > > > learned something :) > > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM, MSI WIND <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> Ok but what your actually saying is you can better buy a worse (ranked > > > >> at notebookcheck) Nvidia card than a better (ranked at notebookcheck) > > > >> ATI card. I don't get the Intel part, still talking about graphics > > > >> card? > > > > >> But when it comes to Nvidia the 9600 GT is the best I can get, I've > > > >> searched for better ones but couldn't find them within my budget. And > > > >> when I see this ATI 5165 HD's performance (at notebookcheck)in > > > >> comparison with the best GeForce I can get that's a big difference. > > > >> But still games run better on Nvidia hardware so can't really measure > > > >> the difference true numbers... But fore example, which one should you > > > >> choose: > > > > >> Toshiba satelite l500 1zp (€425,- Used) > > > >> Processor: Intel® Core™ i3-330M (2,13GHz) - RAM: 4GB DDR3 1,066 MHz - > > > >> Graphics card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5165 (1GB) > > > > >> Asus M51SN-AP018C (€400,- , Used) > > > >> Processor - Type: Intel Core 2 Duo-processor T9300 (2,5Ghz), RAM: 3 > > > >> GB, Type graphic-card: GeForce 9500m GS (512mb) > > > > >> What would you pick to play latest games on? Get best performance on > > > >> games?! Maybe you would pick the Toshiba, would you still pick it if > > > >> the Asus had a 9600 GT instead of a 9500 GS? > > > > >> Thanks btw for helping me, it's just hard getting a understand about > > > >> all of this. Imagine you even thought 5165 was a different card...?!!! > > > >> It's just weird > > > > >> On 22 sep, 21:39, tribaljet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> Well, I do need all the tech that nvidias have, while the equivalent > > > >>> from ati had been dropped from all developers. Their cards don't > > > >>> overheat like some people here have said, using latest drivers does > > > >>> show quite the performance. Also, drivers are incredibly better on > > > >>> nvidia too, with each new driver usually adding between 5 to 25% > > > >>> performance on some cases, while ati drivers are kinda crappy, both > > > >>> ati and nvidia users are aware of this. But most importantly, > > > >>> basically all games run better on nvidia hardware. > > > >>> If you don't mind getting a full amd system, then go for it, but intel > > > >>> and nvidia is where the performance is. > > > > >>> On Sep 22, 8:34 pm, MSI WIND <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > Yeah but now you get my point? Isn't this the best buy for that > > > >>> > money? > > > >>> > It's way better than the 9600m GT what is absolute max I can get > > > >>> > within my price range, talking about GeForce?! Or is it still better > > > >>> > to wait fore something with a 9600 GT to come up?! > > > > >>> > On 22 sep, 21:19, tribaljet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > When I saw it I thought it was a different gpu. Their naming > > > >>> > > scheme > > > >>> > > must be screwed because that's the first time I saw the numbering > > > >>> > > not > > > >>> > > matching the performance. > > > >>> > > You should try and get something like a GT360M, or something with > > > >>> > > fermi architecture, like at least a GT 420M, something modern and > > > >>> > > with > > > >>> > > faster execution of common tasks. Of course the issue will be > > > >>> > > finding > > > >>> > > a cheap one... > > > > >>> > > On Sep 22, 8:14 pm, MSI WIND <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > 5160 = 5165 > > > > >>> > > > On 22 sep, 21:11, MSI WIND <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > No that's not it but I don't get it because you said you > > > >>> > > > > should go for > > > >>> > > > > a ATI 4650/4670 if you go for an ATI (I rather go for GeForce > > > >>> > > > > but I > > > >>> > > > > can't find something that good), now I found a 5160 (which is > > > >>> > > > > better > > > >>> > > > > than a 5470, WHAT I DON'T GET?!) what is actually a renamed > > > >>> > > > > 4650 > > > >>> > > > > (quote from > > > >>> > > > > notebookcheck:http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5165.24579.0.html > > > >>> > > > > ) > > > > >>> > > > > What's up with the names ATI uses?! > > > > >>> > > > > On 22 sep, 19:03, tribaljet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > Well, seems like MSI WIND really wants an ati, fine then. I > > > >>> > > > > > said my > > > >>> > > > > > piece. > > > > >>> > > > > > Espio, recent toshibas no longer have drivers locked, but > > > >>> > > > > > there are > > > >>> > > > > > still a few not so old models that still have issues with > > > >>> > > > > > any driver > > > >>> > > > > > other than their own. > > > > >>> > > > > > And man, how I hate that new trend of 16:9 screens. When > > > >>> > > > > > will they > > > >>> > > > > > learn that there are tv ratios and computer ratios, and > > > >>> > > > > > it's a very > > > >>> > > > > > stupid thing to mix them up. Computer users just end up > > > >>> > > > > > having less > > > >>> > > > > > screen real estate. > > > > >>> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:57 pm, MSI WIND <[email protected]> > > > >>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > Ok but the benchmarks from a GT230M in comparison with > > > >>> > > > > > > that ati are in > > > >>> > > > > > > advantage of the ATI again... But I found a sony vaio > > > >>> > > > > > > with a GT230M, > > > >>> > > > > > > specs: > > > > >>> > > > > > > Processor: Intel ® Core ™ 2 Duo Processor P8700 (2.53 GHz) > > > > >>> > > > > > > 14" WXGA LED display (1366 x 768) > > > > >>> > > > > > > NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 230M graphics > > > > >>> > > > > > > Ram: ??? > > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm not sure but I think it's a pink or red one (If it's > > > >>> > > > > > > pink it's out > > > >>> > > > > > > of question!) > > > > >>> > > > > > > Also the Toshiba guy agreed with my 425 bid, but I can > > > >>> > > > > > > still cancel it > > > >>> > > > > > > because it isn't totally arranged yet! > > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm going to kickbox now, I'm back within 2 hours! Let me > > > >>> > > > > > > know! > > > > >>> > > > > > > On 22 sep, 18:30, tribaljet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > MSI WIND, cod mw2 is a fairly simple game to drive, > > > >>> > > > > > > > which doesn't push > > > >>> > > > > > > > hw too much. Try checking if you find a laptop with a > > > >>> > > > > > > > GT230M > > > > >>> > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:28 pm, MSI WIND > > > >>> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Yeah but benchmark for the ATI Modern Warfare 2 on > > > >>> > > > > > > > > high: 34 FPS and > > > >>> > > > > > > > > for the GeForce 9600 GT Modern Warfare 1 on high: > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 25.7 FPS... So I > > > >>> > > > > > > > > don't get it why a 9600 should be better than the > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ATI, altough the > > > >>> > > > > > > > > features the 9600 won't be able to run a new game on > > > >>> > > > > > > > > high settings > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (fps wise) while that ATI is! It's probably because > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I'm a rookie... > > > >>> > > > > > > > > You guys have been a great help btw! > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > On 22 sep, 18:21, tribaljet <[email protected]> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > And it seems that nvidia antialiasing is faster > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > than ati. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:18 pm, tribaljet <[email protected]> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and hw physx of course :) > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:16 pm, tribaljet > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, first there is Cuda, which is a godsend > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > for any who plays high > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > definition content, then you do have a faster > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > geometry instancing than > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > ati, for some reason it is faster but I'm not > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > sure why exactly as from > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > a specs point of view it shouldn't. A quite > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > good nvidia gpu thats > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > faster than 9600GT and probably at the same > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > price is the GT230M, with > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the added support for dx10.1, which is > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > something that the gpu can > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > handle, while that ati will probably die trying > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > to push dx11 content. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:12 pm, MSI WIND > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah but there are no i5 processor within my > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > budget, at least not in > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination with a good gpu... I understand > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > the way ATI names their > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > cards but in comparison with a 9600m GT that > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ATI kicks it ass > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > (benchmarks, graphics etc.)... But what > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > features does this card miss > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > in comparison with for example the Nvidia- > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -... > > meer lezen » -- 9xx SOLDIERS SANS FRONTIERS
