His work is interesting, but I am going more for a steady state effect,
whereas most of his research is directed I believe toward rail gun and water
explosion drilling and launching systems.  I am aware of the carbon arc
phenomena, and am considering trying it under water as well as testing the
tungsten rods and titanium core spark plug I have.

One paper I find intriguing is at
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/samplearticle.pdf page 79,
"Nuclear Transmutation Reaction Caused by Light Water Electrolysis on
Tungsten Cathode Under Incandescent Conditions".  Many others have repeated
these experiments and gotten over 200% energy out vs in, but no one that I
know of has exceeded 300%.

Then on http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue32/iccf8.html we have
this tidbit of interesting information:
An interesting connection: Storms discovered that the excess heat effect
does not take place in the Pt bulk, but rather in layers of deposited
material on the surface of the Pt. When he cleaned this Pt surface off by
scrubbing the metal and placing it in boiling water, the effect went away
for a while until another layer of deposited material grew on the metal
surface. Mobberley takes this a step further, moving the reaction site away
from the metal to holes in a ceramic--in fact, he employs a pepper-shaker
(known as a "pepper-pot" in the UK). Rothwell's first reaction was to say
that this removes metal from the picture altogether and makes the effect
look like something that happens in water, but Mallove reminded him that
there is a great deal of lithium in the highly concentrated electrolyte used
by Mobberley.

Additional information on these experiments can be found at:


Some of these experiments have deteremined that a glow extends out 1/2 inch
or so from the plasma into the water, a possible indicate of Cherenkov

>From what I have been able to determine, it is necessary to get an area of
plasma to get these anomalous results.  In the experiments referenced above
this is accomplished by letting the solution reach temperatures near
boiling, so that at the cathode, or the hole in the pepper shaker, steam is
produced, forcing the current to travel through the steam, producing an arc
or plasma.  Another possible way to do this would be to use the "ampere
longitudinal force" to separate a column of liquid inside a tube to produce
the same effect, but at temperatures far below that of boiling water.
However this would likely have to be done with a pulsating current, so that
the column collapses and then blows apart again. The simple act of blowing
apart a column using these forces also appears to generate anomalous energy
as evidenced by experiments with thin wires using ampere longitudinal force
to segment the wires. This is more like what Graneau was doing, and I will
likely blow my column container (a glass or ceramic rod) apart if I can get
the currents up high enough to get this force to separate the column of
water, but I am wanting to try it anyway.  I have a 15 KV @ 120 mA supply,
and plan to construct a .1 or .2 uF 20 KV cap to supply large pulse

I have acquired lithium carbonate to experiment with as one of the
electrolytes (baking soda, or sodium hydrogen carbonate, and sodium chloride
will be another ones), but lithium carbonate is sparingly soluble.  I plan
to react it with vinegar (acetic acid), to produce lithium acetate, which is
highly soluble, and will also provide some carbon atoms, which may enhance
the effect (carbon arcs as you indicated below can also give excess energy).

I will keep everyone posted on the results.

BTW, I have an article that is to be published in the Jan/Feb issue of
Infinite Energy (they keep pushing it back though) on a simply and
repeatable way to use a form of Maxwell's demon to produce electricity
directly from ambient temperature with no "cold sink" in violation of the
second law of thermodynamics.  Once it is published I will make details of
the experiment known to this group.  Unfortunately the amount of power this
produces is minuscule, but is still sufficient to demonstrate the
falsification of the second law in a macro system.


Jerry Decker - KN wrote:

> Hola Marshall!
> I'm not but be sure to get whatever you can on the experiments of Peter
> Graneau with water arcs...and there is a company or two I can't recall
> the name of offhand that uses carbon arcs to burn hotter and produce
> more energy...as I recall there are disputes between claimants of this
> technology but it held promise as everything converts back to carbon
> according to Walter Russell.
> Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > Is anyone here doing any experimenting with incandescent electrolysis,
> > underwater arcs, or Ampere Longitudal Forces for anomolous energy
> > generation.  I have purchased a number of items to begin experimenting
> > on these subjects, and was wondering if anyone else has done so, or is
> > planning on doing do.  If so, exchanging information on what works and
> > what doesn't will assist us along our path.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
> >
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