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From: "craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jerry Decker - KN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:15:56 -0700
Subject: Re: [Keelynet] negative comments on the 'Thank a Soldier' idea
 

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> 
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:18:09 -0700, Jerry Decker - KN wrote:
> 
>> Hola Craig!
>> 
>> Lets see, now why would I post that to this list?  Its really not
>>  KeelyNet type material but yet its not political, just a neat
>> idea  in my opinion that shows how a simple charitable act can
>> become a  bitching point for fanatics with an agenda.
>> 
> 
> ..semantical comment: fanatic, as in, devotion to a cause? Is that
> like your purpose of keelynet?
> 
> ..hmm, i also note that it feels like your back-pedaling
> 
> ..and another, which is you tend to bitch alot, in regards to
> people with an agenda.
> 
>> 
>> On KeelyNet there are MANY files of psychological/charity reports
>>  that don't directly deal with free energy, gravity or health
>> which  are the MAIN topics, not the ONLY topics.
>> 
> 
> ..diversity of topic is fine, as it appears to me, that the actions
> of 'keelynet' over the years, has been to seek out understanding.
> So, with that intent, if i am correct in that, then that would
> encompass many concepts/ideas.
> 
>> 
>> The action of giving the cost of a meal in this case to my view
>> is  to thank them for giving up normal lives for military
>> service, its  not their doing where they are sent during that
>> service.  
>> Its real simple once you get past the politics.  Its just a nice  
>> thing to do.  But some people like to drag in their agendas,  
>> usually political, conspiratorial, etc.
>> 
> 
> ..choice is always available, if you can see it.
> 
> ..The 'thanks' for giving up normal lives, still makes me ask, why?
> Why does their giving up of a  'normal' life help you? Or should i
> ask, how does it help you? How does it serve you?
> 
> ..I understand the concept of doing nice things for people,
> especially as a recurring pattern can be formed. So, as of this
> moment, i would say that you are either feeling for the mistakes
> one has made in the navigation of their life, and seeking to help
> them through their own doing. Or you do not see beyond the
> situation, and are blindingly and egotistically trying to save face.
> 
> ..it is a common thing apparently to drag an agenda, or label
> another with some kind of evil motive. I notice it here, on this
> list, usually from your type.
> 
> ..one thing that arises from this discussion, is the concept of
> connectivity. As in, the raising of children/ignorance. As well as
> the blindness that can occur amongst two people having a
> discussion. When people typically discuss/argue about something,
> they are usually saying the same thing, and focusing on the same
> point, but using different perceptions to describe it.
> 
>> 
>> Buying lunch for a solider, just SSSOOOO fraught with explosive  
>> intent and REaction from the Sheehans of the world.  Such a  
>> horribly bad, politically incorrect thing to do...NOT.
>> 
> 
> ..this is more like: a parent has a child. That child does
> something to try and get what it wants. The parent doesn't want to
> give that child what it wants, so ignores or reacts in a certain
> manner. This parent is letting the child learn a lesson. But,
> another adult is observing, and chooses to step in to the
> situation. This is where misunderstanding occurs. Is this happening
> right now? The lesson could be spoiled by the interference. Or the
> parent could learn something too.
> 
>> 
>> When one considers how much more money a person can make working
>> as  a civilian, that is the sacrifice they make to the service if
>> not  loss of a limb or outright death during the tour of duty.
>> 
> 
> ..this is the sacrifice you talk of? That doesn't make sense.
> That's like saying 'Oh, let me take the low paying job', for the
> good of what? If we extend this idea out somewhat, then we could
> ..say.. couple the low pay job with some kind of part in a machine.
> Do you see why people might say something about questioning the
> purpose of the machine? And do you see why a simple act of kindness
> could interfere with a larger issue that effects many other issues.
> If we are to be concerned about someone making a claim about a free
> energy device, and asking for financial backing, then wouldn't it
> also be of concern to question the purpose of the machine's use?
> 
>> 
>> I saw how difficult it was for my brother and his family to
>> survive  on military pay back in the 70s and 80s as well as his
>> comrades.    Families living on military bases and the entire
>> panpoply of  difficulties they endure where they could just as
>> easily have NOT  GONE, choosing to stay and work as a civilian
>> with much better and  more profitable job and career prospects.
>> 
> 
> ..hold on there horsey, let's not leave this as is.. finish what
> you started!
> 
> ..what did you learn from this? Was your heart wrenched? Did you
> feel agony over the situation you witnessed? Did you want to do
> something about it? Does every Sheehan want to also? Or do you feel
> every Sheehan is slandering or making your witnessed hardship seem
> futile? As if it had no purpose? That's it! Purpose?
> 
>> 
>> About identity - People who don't have the cojones to identify  
>> themselves bug me, its cowardice or lack of courage of
>> convictions  to hide behind a curtain of anonymity.  Its like
>> voting, if you  don't vote, then shut up bitching about the
>> government and the way  things are.
>> 
> 
> ..ya know, i have used a pseudo name numerous times. I recall the
> name 'craig' already being used numerous times as well, when
> seeking to join some group or such. I also recall feeling playful,
> when choosing a pseudo name, many times. That 'bug'ing you mention
> is a personal opinion of yours, and in no way reflects anything
> about anyone else but you. And aside from that, and about voting,
> ..if i choose not to vote, then don't even think about trying to
> apply your form of 'government' on to me. I choose what i am. I
> choose what i do. I choose what i consume. I choose how i express
> myself. And i will not leave the land mass i was born on, even if
> you do not like my opinion. I do not need a baby sitter, though i
> respect suggestions, and advice, and most certainly examples of how
> to achieve some desired effect.
> 
>> 
>> That said, I'm not going to belabor the point.  I posted it to
>> show  the kind of reactions fanatics give while hiding behind a
>> fake  identity.
>> 
> 
> ..nothing is more 'fake' than forgetting your just like everyone
> else. Everyone is learning, and growing. And i don't really believe
> that was your motive. Something about the way you have acted leads
> me to say otherwise.
> 
>> 
>> I have posted many somewhat offtopic post on the various versions
>>  of the KeelyNet and Interact lists over the years (as have
>> others),  its not the first and it won't be the last if I think
>> it bears a  lesson and this one did in my view.
>> 
> 
> ..hey, its not my list, you don't need to kiss my ass. You have set
> the rules here. If you have violated them, then they must not mean
> that much after all.
> 
>> 
>> If it offends you, I'm NOT sorry but you CHOSE to subscribe to
>> this  list and then in responding (NEVER to a technology post or  
>> comment), apparently defending the point and hidden identity  
>> approach.  Very easy to unsubscribe and find a list of anonymous  
>> posters with political agendas.
>> 
> 
> ..it does not offend me. I did choose to subscribe, and i am glad i
> did. And still am. As for responding to technology, I have. Just
> because you cannot recognize it doesn't mean i didn't. In fact, i
> am responding to, and with, a very potent technology at this very
> moment. Oh, and please don't mistake me for some new agey type. I
> still respect your original motive for this list. And my intent for
> subscribing to it is directly related to its purpose.
> 
>> 
>> A point....why is it you guys say NOTHING about anything
>> regarding  technology or discussion comments in all the time you
>> have been a  subscriber, but can't wait to respond to non
>> technology/political  items that might strike a nerve?  
>> 
> 
> ..most of what is discussed is like bits and pieces of the whole. I
> am only speaking for myself. A lot of what is discussed touches on
> the same things over and over. My focus is on the interrelations of
> all these things. Or in other words, how it all works together.
> Some people can grasp onto the inner workings of a concept faster
> than others, where some take longer to digest the concept. And of
> course, that depends on what part each focuses on. Also, some
> people have to have communication constantly, from my point of
> view. And some have to communicate every now and then. In this
> particular situation, i am making a point, at this moment in time,
> because it is relative to many things. It just so happens to
> involve politics, and semantics. After all, the language we use,
> and the culture that forms, is important to the path that humanity
> takes. This certainly includes technology. If you have something in
> particular you want to discuss, make a point of it. Else continue
> glossing over multiple variants of the effects of energy.
> 
>> To me, its a TELLING POINT...that people sit on the sidelines,  
>> read, possibly absorb techical information for years...NEVER
>> making  a contribution in the slightest, no comments, no shared
>> URLs,  nothing shared relating to ANYTHING until a comment/post
>> pushes a  political button and then woops, pissed me off, time to
>> make a post.  
>> Never mind about THE TONS of posts made for YEARS about
>> technology  or interesting alt science topics...those don't mean
>> squat...
>> 
> 
> ..not exactly, you like me, must have patience, for there have been
> many times, in many situations that i have attempted to express
> myself, but the communication was not received due to proximity and
> similarity to the one i was communicating with. Consider that the
> North poles of permanent magnets do not close the gap between them.
> This should shine light upon the difficulty encountered in the
> communications between similar entities. Also, things accumulate
> over time. Therefore expressive potentials accumulate over time.
> But you can go mad if you try and discuss every little thing,
> again, and again. This would be similar to killing the dipole. Not
> saying i have on this list, nor do i want to. But, is not the
> written word, sentence, paragraph, and document and ideal
> situation? An individual can re-read it over, and over, again, and
> again, without bogging down, or draining the writer.
> 
>> 
>> If you had been a long time subscriber who had PARTICIPATED IN
>> the  purpose of the list regarding anything technical, you'd have
>> some  'weight' in my opinion...but as it is, your one time post
>> ranks  with an anonymous posting that is nothing but hot air
>> attempting to  stir up a semantics argument over a political
>> agenda on your part.
>> 
> 
> ..yes, it is your opinion, and perception, also weight is relative,
> isn't it? It depends on where your attention is at. There's a
> saying that goes something like 'A wise man listens even to a fool,
> whereas a fool listens to no one.' ..ya just never know where those
> gold nuggets are until you look, or listen. I understand that
> experience accumulates to build a foundation for judgments to be
> made. This works to form a navigational ability. I have learned
> that even babies have important information to offer, even if they
> lack the motor skills and ability to graft their expressions to my
> programming. But i cannot blame them, though i might get
> frustrated, and need to vent every now and then. They will
> eventually be able to graft and bend, as will i, to make that
> communicative connection, and thus share understanding.
> 
>> 
>> No thanks.
>> 
>> Comments and then its a dead 'issue' on my part since I have NO  
>> negative agenda against the government or politics;
>> 
> 
> ..'negativity' is relative to what your definition of government
> and politics is, or is taught to be. And, this has been most
> pleasurable, thanks.


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