---  Doug Veldhuisen wrote:
>I am guessing since we are using Qos policies on these routers, I'm 
>seeing QoS drops, but not sure.

--- Christopher Sweeney wrote:
It's ifOutDiscards in the ifTable. In theory, I think, the discards 
should indicate packets discarded because of things like resource 
limitations. In practice, we have seen some SNMP implementations 
which count other types of discards, such as discards due to firewall 
rules, in this number.
--- end of quote ---

Yes, I have heard that some equipment may discard packets for "good reasons" yet
count them in the MIB-II statistic ifOutDiscards. This could make you think that
there's a problem, even though there isn't. Here are some examples:

-       As Doug Veldhuisen notes above, a router may drop a packet that's 
otherwise OK
because of a QoS policy. For example, if a stream of higher priority packets
needs to be transmitted, the router may drop the lower priority ones. These
packets could appear as discarded packets in MIB-II statistics.

-       A firewall may also choose to count firewalled packets as drops. This 
is an
explicit policy decision, not a lack of buffer space, but still might be counted
as a MIB-II discard.

-       Spanning Tree. Switches can (by design) ignore spanning tree updates, 
because
they are not interesting or because spanning tree has been shut off. Certain
brands of switches can count these as MIB-II discards.

-       Committed Information Rate. With permanent virtual circuits and similar
technologies, normal behavior of a customer device may be to attempt to send
data faster than the Committed Information Rate they have contracted for. The
router will drop those packets, and the drops may be counted in the SNMP MIB-II
stats. 

Any comments from the list on these or other situations? Thanks!

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