On 29/01/2025 15:12, Tim Düsterhus wrote:
Hi

Volker and I would like to start discussion on our RFC to allow "Marking return values as important (#[\NoDiscard])".

Please find the following resources for your reference:

- RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/marking_return_value_as_important
- Implementation: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/17599

Best regards
Tim Düsterhus

Apologies if this has already been brought up; I haven't read the entire thread, but isn't the entire premise of this RFC based on a falsehood?

>This kind of “partial success” can only be reliably communicated by means of a return value

Exceptions are objects, so you can attach whatever additional information you wish to that object.

Perhaps the word "reliably" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, but if you would refute me (which presumably you will), then I think this needs to be explained in better detail in the RFC, because it looks to me that exploiting object properties is just as viable as returning something, and probably preferred, since this solves your problem of the user not handling the failure.

Cheers,
Bilge

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