Le 15/06/2026 à 10:51, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] a écrit :
On 15 June 2026 09:20:09 BST, Daniil Gentili <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree 100%, voters should take responsibility for their own actions, instead
of asking to hold off the vote indefinitely, constantly requesting changes.
I think it's generally preferable for the main aim to be reaching consensus, and a vote confirming
that consensus, rather than treating votes as something to be "won" and "lost".
However, if there's genuine deadlock in a discussion, I guess bringing to a
vote is a way to get a decision made.
The discussion thread on the internals list is already huge, so I guess
at least a substantial proportion of the people who voted have already
expressed themselves.
And to what I've read on the thread, the decision were made on *this
RFC*, not on the concept of Generics itself.
If this RFC is rejected, PHP won’t have generics (at least not in 2026/the
first half of 2027 due to the cooling off period of RFCs of the same type).
That is, luckily, not what the policy says; it says "it will not be allowed to bring
up a rejected proposal for another vote, unless ... the authors make substantial changes
to the proposal". So an RFC building on Seifeddine's work but taking a different
approach to enforcement could be brought forward at any time.
Holding a vote is not, and should not be, a way to block alternatives or
counter-proposals.
Let's not get into the rhetoric of "this is your only chance for generics". If
the vote is going ahead, people should vote on *this specific proposal*, with the
specific tradeoffs it includes.
It's great that we're making progress towards generics; now let's work together
to get the best version of them we can.
One of my interpretations is that "complete generics" isn't possible
per-se considering the current way the compiler and engine work.
However, it's not impossible to implement "generic-like systems", and
maybe a smaller RFC, for example about typed
arrays/ArrayObject/Iterator, could already bring a lot of value, without
having full generics yet.
