Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
If I am in the minority I don't mind suggesting people use Apache2, but we
need a bunch of PHP developers to stand up and say they are using
Apache2-prefork in large production systems.
I've never used anything else on all my sites, along with PHP5 starting pre-release, because I did not want to have both 4 and 5 in the field, and the first release was then due any day. I've never seen a problem which could be blamed on Apache or PHP. (now windows and terminal server is another matter ;) )
It has never been a matter of not liking Apache2 or having some irrational bias against it, it is purely a matter of what we use and what we know. If someone reports a problem with PHP running under Apache1 we know how to fix that. For other servers, including Apache2, the pool of people familiar enough with it to provide decent support is much smaller. The documentation should probably be changed to better reflect that and make it sound less negative towards Apache2.
Personally that is all *I* am after. When I tell a customer that we are running Apache2 and PHP *THEY* comment on that every time. Fortunately they are also knowledgeable enough to know that we would not want to run Apache1 on their windows machines :) Unfortunately the knowledgeable ones aren't able to convince their bosses that Linux on the servers would be much better anyway.
My personal view is that the bucket brigade API in Apache2 is unneccesarily complex and quirky and we mostly have to defeat it anyway with PHP so it doesn't add anything for us. It just gets in the way. There are a few exceptions to that, but not enough for me to be worth the complexity and the overhead.
So we need to hassle the Apache people for some more support so that the FUD can at least be reduced. I totally understand the motivation to stay with something that is working, and the hyped follow ons - I'm still running W98SE on the display controllers because there is no need for anything slower, and they will not let me run Linux. Newer in many cases is most definitely not better (Anybody actually use XP ;) ). Some people are no doubt saying PHP5 is not better than PHP4? But unfortunately while people are dropping support for the 'good' versions and moving the goal posts, we have to try and keep up with the target :(
The question was "What problems?" - is the answer - "Don't really know?".
Perhaps some of those who keep complaining that Apache2/PHP does not work could start listing where it breaks for them, so at least those of us who are not having problems at present know where else to avoid?
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