LS>>Now the new code does cause problems for some (certainly not a majority of LS>>people) and this needs to be taken into account. However if these people do
I wonder how do you know it's not a majority? Almost nobody is using 5.1 in production now, but once it's out you are bound to get a rain of complaints once all date() function would start returning UTC and people would discover they need to find out "real name" for their timezone (which 90% of them never knew or cared for since it's just worked once OS is installed) and put it into php.ini. And even once you figure that out in a couple of years, you still will have to deal with complaints like "DST settings in our country changed last year, our admin updated the system then but PHP still uses old ones, what do I do?" And I imagine most of the people don't write calendar applications, and even they do, they probably already work with date() as it is, so new date() would probably break them anyway. LS>>growing pains boils down to forcing users/admins to set a single php.ini LS>>setting and suddenly we do not have any code duplication. I think we have That's not 'signle php.ini setting'. That's single php.ini setting on _each_ deployed machine, all different and with no way to do it automatically - only by manually looking up the manual (provided it exists - now it does not) for this specific function, writing it in php.ini and then hoping for the best. And as a bonus, this value has no working default, so there's no way you can just deploy 5.1 and run your apps - if they use date(), they are all instantly broken once you install 5.1. Now try explaining to the user how breaking his working application is a feature. LS>>Do you think this is not even a feasible vision for the future? I think that 5.1 should break as little user code as possible, and I see absolutely no reason to break date() where it worked in 5.0. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ +972-3-6139665 ext.115 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
