Hi Sara,
I don't feel to great with this patch. It kind of feels like twisting the 
language implementation around for some very specific
problem which probably shouldn't be fixed at this level. Andrei says 
performance of Unicode isn't great so it shouldn't matter too
much, but I think a) it's not only about performance but also about 
maintainability. The code in PHP 6 is already much more complex
than that of PHP 5 and has become much harder to maintain. Such additional 
changes will make it worse b) There will still be plenty
of people who use PHP 6 in PHP 5 mode.

I still haven't quite understood why not just do the detection on the whole 
auto-global when it's being fetched (or even during
request startup). As Andrei said, it's slow anyway so for people who need 
Unicode that should be an affordable hit.

Maybe I don't understand the problem in enough detail and it might make sense 
for me to talk to Andrei via voice directly, but I
really don't think we should be over eager commiting this patch. It'll not be 
good for the engine long term (not that I don't
appreciate your efforts and hard work on this patch).

Andi 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sara Golemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:02 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net; Andrei Zmievski; Andi Gutmans; 
> Dmitry Stogov
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Autoglobal CVs without silence -- Summary
> 
>  >> OK. Now your patch will work, but I would like to  >> 
> think about more elegant solution.
>  >> The problem that I am busy with other work.
>  >> Could you please wait a week and then commit it if  >> I 
> won't return (on the next Tuesday).
>  >>
>  > Argh. Can we please accelerate this somehow?
>  > This patch is necessary for the HTTP request  > decoding 
> work in PHP 6 and we really should  > get it done sooner than later.
>  >
> Okay, rewind and reset time.
> 
> Dmitry, here's a quick summary of what's being done, how, and why.
> 
> Initial Problem: PHP6 needs better http input encoding 
> detection, preferably with minimal wasted effort in 
> conversion and limited vectors for conversion failure based attacks.
> 
> Proposed Solution: Wait until the first time a given input 
> argument is requested before actually converting it.  This 
> allows scripts to perform their own (potentially more 
> relevant) determination of what the correct input encoding is.
> 
> Proposed Implementation for this solution:  Make JIT be 
> runtime based and fine-grained enough to signal not just the 
> autoglobal being fetched, but what specific 
> dimension/property within that auto global is being 
> requested.  Using runtime-dimension-JIT to decode input 
> arguments as they are requested.
> 
> Rejected Implementation: Use object/array-access overloading 
> to JIT the values instead.  While this solution is the 
> simplest and can be done with relatively few LOCs, it breaks 
> assumptions about the GPC auto globals (is_array() fails, 
> is_object() succeeds, assignments of the autoglobals becomes 
> "reference-like"*).  In short, this solution introduces BC issues.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Next Problem: How to actually make runtime-JIT with dim/prop 
> level granularity?
> 
> Proposed Solution: Catch fetches during FETCH_DIM/FETCH_OBJ 
> execution handlers.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Next Problem: auto_globals aren't processed as CVs, meaning 
> that during FETCH_DIM, there's no way to tell if op1 came 
> from an auto global or not (since the fetch happened earlier).
> 
> Solution (Implemented last week): Remove restriction on CVing 
> auto globals by adding a fetch_type field to auto global structure.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Next Problem: Silence operator forces non-CV even in 
> situations where a CV is appropriate since the associated 
> fetch_dim/obj op would not fall outside of silence scoping.
> 
> Proposed Solution (patch from prior email): modify the 
> variable parsing routines slightly to rewrite simple fetch 
> ops to CV'd fetch_dim/obj ops when appropriate.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm not meaning to apply pressure (a week doesn't effect my 
> timetable any), I can even move-forward with the next (and 
> last) ZE related patch (FETCH_DIM/FETCH_OBJ handling) 
> separate from this one.  I'm just trying to balance Andrei's 
> timetable on one side, with a desired to not overwhelm you 
> and Andi with ZE patches on the other.  Hopefully this 
> summary helps everyone get on the same page.
> 
> -Sara
> 
> * - Sidenote: I refuse to call object behavior "reference by 
> default", I've had too many people notice that it's not 
> actually true and expect me to explain why in 2 minutes 
> without the aid of a whiteboard.in
> 
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