Alan,
As it notes in Don's slide, the PURL (Payment URL) can be contained in
any "web friendly" medium (i.e. email, IM, HTML page, etc.).  If the
pertinent PURL data is contained within a web page, there shouldn't be
any reason why the payer couldn't initiate a payment to the payee.
There would effectively be two types of payments, payee initiated and
payer initiated.  The only difference might be that the payee initiated
could have a hard coded "amount owed", whereas the payer initiated would
not.

Thoughts?

David Benson
Consultant
DSB Consulting
4420 Noble Avenue
Sherman Oaks, California 91403
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-----Original Message-----
From: MacDougall, Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:38 PM
To: Internet-Payments
Subject: RE: 3D-Secure P2P Slides

Don:

I think I understand now.  (I wasn't paying attention previously!)

It's a nice idea, and yes, an individual bank could just make it work
for
their customers as payees.  Quite nice indeed and perhaps a good and
innovative customer service thing.

However, unlike Paypal etc the transaction always has to be initiated by
the
payee. (Payee sends a message to the payer with the URL.)  Is there a
way
for a payer to initiate a transaction?  I can't see how without some
form of
communication from the payee to the payer telling the payer where to go
on
the web...

Also, if you are a Bank that issues *and* acquires, it might be a
difficult
sell as you would be allowing customers to become merchants.  However I
think this could probably be overcome with appropriate controls and
T&Cs.

Lastly, it might be a difficult sell in this country since most Banks
here
already allow one-off direct payments to any other New Zealand account,
so
long as the payer knows the payee's Bank Account number. So the P2P
market
is already catered for in many cases.

later

Alan
-- 
Alan Macdougall, E-Commerce Strategy Team
The National Bank of New Zealand Ltd
<http://www.nationalbank.co.nz>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Park [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:43 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   Internet-Payments
> Subject:      [3d-secure] 3D-Secure P2P Slides
> 
> I have created some preliminary slides describing proposed 3D-Secure
P2P
> architecture to make sure we are all on the same page and to help you
> communicate the idea to others.
> 
>   http://www.3d-secure.org/downloads/3D-Secure_P2P_Slides_v0_1.zip
> 
> There is only one slide worth looking at, but it shows exactly how
> 3D-Secure P2P extends 3D-Secure.  Lines in orange are 3D-Secure
> protocol.  Lines in green are proposed 3D-Secure P2P extension.
> 
> Your suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Don Park
> Docuverse
> 
> PS: I have assigned the copyright to 3D-Secure.org.
> 
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