Leaving aside the promise of non-participation (:-)), I think there is a way to
show that change is not a singularity. At the very least, there is marginal,
incremental change, and there is discontinuous, radical change. And I'm sure,
on a case by case basis, we could find a couple of meaningful points in between
as well.
I have no idea what was meant by the phrase transformative change, nor why the
originator felt moved to link those two words. But the word transformation
begs to be used in its transformative form, and change seems to follow as well
as any other word.
In honesty, I've not been following this thread (distractions abound). But
could we have a restatement of the substantive issue please?
Cheers,
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At 01:15 PM +1200 9/18/08, James Baines wrote:
>David,
>
>I'm prepared to accept that the adjective has
>meaning, but your examples still leave such meaning implicit and unclear.
>I might infer from what you have said that all
>transformations involve change, but only some
>changes result in transformations.
>Therefore transformative change is a particular kind of change.
>
>My dictionary tells me that "transformation >noun
>a marked change in nature, form, or appearance"
>still sounds a bit of a tautology to me.
>
>If this phrase "transformative change" has a
>particular meaning which is not immediately
>obvious to the uninitiated, I'd appreciate a
>simple explanation. Otherwise I can hardly
>participate in this exchange of ideas.
>
>cheers,
>
>James
>
>At 12:38 p.m. 18/09/2008, Gregory, Wendy wrote:
>>Here's an email that didn't get through to the mailing list earlier.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Waltner-Toews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 12:43 a.m.
>>To: Gregory, Wendy
>>Cc: IntSci@learningforsustainability.net
>>Subject: Re: [IntSci] Transformative change
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>>Someone commented about the "transformative" in
>>front of change & I erased the message too
>>quickly. If I gain weight, I am changed, but not
>>transformed. One can vaccinate all the children
>>in a community & change the child mortality, but
>>the community is not transformed in such a way
>>that the change is sustainable (Bill Gates will
>>have to come every generation & vaccinate again
>>because dependence has been created). So yes, the adjective is meaningful.
>>
>>David Waltner-Toews
>>Department of Population Medicine
>>University of Guelph
>>http://www.ovc.uoguelph.ca/personal/ecosys
>>Veterinarians without Borders/ Vétérinaires sans
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>>Tel: 519-824-4120 ext 54745
>>Cell: 519-546-3204
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>>David was responding to James' email below:
>>--------------------------------
>>I may be new to this - but one small point
>>
>>I would have thought that the qualifier
>>"transformative" hardly adds anything to the concept of "change".
>>Are you referring to a particular type of change
>>when you use this terminology? or is this merely jargon?
>>
>>by contrast, I am reminded of the Soft Systems
>>terminology "feasible change" where the
>>qualifier (feasible) does seem to add something meaningful.
>>
>>cheers
>>
>>James
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