On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 09:36:33AM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:52 AM Thierry Reding <thierry.red...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 08:20:55AM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 9:13 AM Thierry Reding <thierry.red...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 02, 2021 at 05:16:25PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> > > > > 01.07.2021 21:14, Thierry Reding пишет:
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 06:51:40PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > >> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 06:54:55PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 05:03:06PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 06:32:30PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> From: Thierry Reding <tred...@nvidia.com>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Reserved memory region phandle references can be accompanied by
> > > > > >>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>> specifier that provides additional information about how that
> > > > > >>>>> specific
> > > > > >>>>> reference should be treated.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> One use-case is to mark a memory region as needing an identity
> > > > > >>>>> mapping
> > > > > >>>>> in the system's IOMMU for the device that references the
> > > > > >>>>> region. This is
> > > > > >>>>> needed for example when the bootloader has set up hardware
> > > > > >>>>> (such as a
> > > > > >>>>> display controller) to actively access a memory region (e.g. a
> > > > > >>>>> boot
> > > > > >>>>> splash screen framebuffer) during boot. The operating system
> > > > > >>>>> can use the
> > > > > >>>>> identity mapping flag from the specifier to make sure an IOMMU
> > > > > >>>>> identity
> > > > > >>>>> mapping is set up for the framebuffer before IOMMU translations
> > > > > >>>>> are
> > > > > >>>>> enabled for the display controller.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Thierry Reding <tred...@nvidia.com>
> > > > > >>>>> ---
> > > > > >>>>> .../reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt | 21
> > > > > >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >>>>> include/dt-bindings/reserved-memory.h | 8 +++++++
> > > > > >>>>> 2 files changed, 29 insertions(+)
> > > > > >>>>> create mode 100644 include/dt-bindings/reserved-memory.h
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sorry for being slow on this. I have 2 concerns.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> First, this creates an ABI issue. A DT with cells in
> > > > > >>>> 'memory-region'
> > > > > >>>> will not be understood by an existing OS. I'm less concerned
> > > > > >>>> about this
> > > > > >>>> if we address that with a stable fix. (Though I'm pretty sure
> > > > > >>>> we've
> > > > > >>>> naively added #?-cells in the past ignoring this issue.)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> A while ago I had proposed adding memory-region*s* as an
> > > > > >>> alternative
> > > > > >>> name for memory-region to make the naming more consistent with
> > > > > >>> other
> > > > > >>> types of properties (think clocks, resets, gpios, ...). If we
> > > > > >>> added
> > > > > >>> that, we could easily differentiate between the "legacy" cases
> > > > > >>> where
> > > > > >>> no #memory-region-cells was allowed and the new cases where it
> > > > > >>> was.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Second, it could be the bootloader setting up the reserved
> > > > > >>>> region. If a
> > > > > >>>> node already has 'memory-region', then adding more regions is
> > > > > >>>> more
> > > > > >>>> complicated compared to adding new properties. And defining what
> > > > > >>>> each
> > > > > >>>> memory-region entry is or how many in schemas is impossible.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> It's true that updating the property gets a bit complicated, but
> > > > > >>> it's
> > > > > >>> not exactly rocket science. We really just need to splice the
> > > > > >>> array. I
> > > > > >>> have a working implemention for this in U-Boot.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> For what it's worth, we could run into the same issue with any new
> > > > > >>> property that we add. Even if we renamed this to
> > > > > >>> iommu-memory-region,
> > > > > >>> it's still possible that a bootloader may have to update this
> > > > > >>> property
> > > > > >>> if it already exists (it could be hard-coded in DT, or it could
> > > > > >>> have
> > > > > >>> been added by some earlier bootloader or firmware).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Both could be addressed with a new property. Perhaps something
> > > > > >>>> like
> > > > > >>>> 'iommu-memory-region = <&phandle>;'. I think the 'iommu' prefix
> > > > > >>>> is
> > > > > >>>> appropriate given this is entirely because of the IOMMU being in
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > >>>> mix. I might feel differently if we had other uses for cells,
> > > > > >>>> but I
> > > > > >>>> don't really see it in this case.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I'm afraid that down the road we'll end up with other cases and
> > > > > >>> then we
> > > > > >>> might proliferate a number of *-memory-region properties with
> > > > > >>> varying
> > > > > >>> prefixes.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I am aware of one other case where we might need something like
> > > > > >>> this: on
> > > > > >>> some Tegra SoCs we have audio processors that will access memory
> > > > > >>> buffers
> > > > > >>> using a DMA engine. These processors are booted from early
> > > > > >>> firmware
> > > > > >>> using firmware from system memory. In order to avoid trashing the
> > > > > >>> firmware, we need to reserve memory. We can do this using reserved
> > > > > >>> memory nodes. However, the audio DMA engine also uses the SMMU,
> > > > > >>> so we
> > > > > >>> need to make sure that the firmware memory is marked as reserved
> > > > > >>> within
> > > > > >>> the SMMU. This is similar to the identity mapping case, but not
> > > > > >>> exactly
> > > > > >>> the same. Instead of creating a 1:1 mapping, we just want that
> > > > > >>> IOVA
> > > > > >>> region to be reserved (i.e. IOMMU_RESV_RESERVED instead of
> > > > > >>> IOMMU_RESV_DIRECT{,_RELAXABLE}).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That would also fall into the IOMMU domain, but we can't reuse the
> > > > > >>> iommu-memory-region property for that because then we don't have
> > > > > >>> enough
> > > > > >>> information to decide which type of reservation we need.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> We could obviously make iommu-memory-region take a specifier, but
> > > > > >>> we
> > > > > >>> could just as well use memory-regions in that case since we have
> > > > > >>> something more generic anyway.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> With the #memory-region-cells proposal, we can easily extend the
> > > > > >>> cell in
> > > > > >>> the specifier with an additional MEMORY_REGION_IOMMU_RESERVE flag
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>> take that other use case into account. If we than also change to
> > > > > >>> the new
> > > > > >>> memory-regions property name, we avoid the ABI issue (and we gain
> > > > > >>> a bit
> > > > > >>> of consistency while at it).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ping? Rob, do you want me to add this second use-case to the patch
> > > > > >> series to make it more obvious that this isn't just a one-off
> > > > > >> thing? Or
> > > > > >> how do we proceed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rob, given that additional use-case, do you want me to run with this
> > > > > > proposal and send out an updated series?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What about variant with a "descriptor" properties that will describe
> > > > > each region:
> > > > >
> > > > > fb_desc: display-framebuffer-memory-descriptor {
> > > > > needs-identity-mapping;
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > display@52400000 {
> > > > > memory-region = <&fb ...>;
> > > > > memory-region-descriptor = <&fb_desc ...>;
> > > > > };
> > > > >
> > > > > It could be a more flexible/extendible variant.
> > > >
> > > > This problem recently came up on #dri-devel again. Adding Alyssa and
> > > > Sven who are facing a similar challenge on their work on Apple M1 (if I
> > > > understood correctly). Also adding dri-devel for visibility since this
> > > > is a very common problem for display in particular.
> > > >
> > > > On M1 the situation is slightly more complicated: the firmware will
> > > > allocate a couple of buffers (including the framebuffer) in high memory
> > > > (> 4 GiB) and use the IOMMU to map that into an IOVA region below 4 GiB
> > > > so that the display hardware can access it. This makes it impossible to
> > > > bypass the IOMMU like we do on other chips (in particular to work around
> > > > the fault-by-default policy of the ARM SMMU driver). It also means that
> > > > in addition to the simple reserved regions I mentioned we need for audio
> > > > use-cases and identity mapping use-cases we need for display on Tegra,
> > > > we now also need to be able to convey physical to IOVA mappings.
> > > >
> > > > Fitting the latter into the original proposal sounds difficult. A quick
> > > > fix would've been to generate a mapping table in memory and pass that to
> > > > the kernel using a reserved-memory node (similar to what's done for
> > > > example on Tegra for the EMC frequency table on Tegra210) and mark it as
> > > > such using a special flag. But that then involves two layers of parsing,
> > > > which seems a bit suboptimal. Another way to shoehorn that into the
> > > > original proposal would've been to add flags for physical and virtual
> > > > address regions and use pairs to pass them using special flags. Again,
> > > > this is a bit wonky because it needs these to be carefully parsed and
> > > > matched up.
> > > >
> > > > Another downside is that we now have a situation where some of these
> > > > regions are no longer "reserved-memory regions" in the traditional
> > > > sense. This would require an additional flag in the reserved-memory
> > > > region nodes to prevent the IOVA regions from being reserved. By the
> > > > way, this is something that would also be needed for the audio use-case
> > > > I mentioned before, because the physical memory at that address can
> > > > still be used by an operating system.
> > > >
> > > > A more general solution would be to draw a bit from Dmitry's proposal
> > > > and introduce a new top-level "iov-reserved-memory" node. This could be
> > > > modelled on the existing reserved-memory node, except that the physical
> > > > memory pages for regions represented by child nodes would not be marked
> > > > as reserved. Only the IOVA range described by the region would be
> > > > reserved subsequently by the IOMMU framework and/or IOMMU driver.
> > > >
> > > > The simplest case where we just want to reserve some IOVA region could
> > > > then be done like this:
> > > >
> > > > iov-reserved-memory {
> > > > /*
> > > > * Probably safest to default to <2>, <2> here given
> > > > * that most IOMMUs support either > 32 bits of IAS
> > > > * or OAS.
> > > > */
> > > > #address-cells = <2>;
> > > > #size-cells = <2>;
> > > >
> > > > firmware: firmware@80000000 {
> > > > reg = <0 0x80000000 0 0x01000000>;
> > > > };
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > audio@30000000 {
> > > > ...
> > > > iov-memory-regions = <&firmware>;
> > > > ...
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > Mappings could be represented by an IOV reserved region taking a
> > > > reference to the reserved-region that they map:
> > > >
> > > > reserved-memory {
> > > > #address-cells = <2>;
> > > > #size-cells = <2>;
> > > >
> > > > /* 16 MiB of framebuffer at top-of-memory */
> > > > framebuffer: framebuffer@1,ff000000 {
> > > > reg = <0x1 0xff000000 0 0x01000000>;
> > > > no-map;
> > > > };
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > iov-reserved-memory {
> > > > /* IOMMU supports only 32-bit output address space */
> > > > #address-cells = <1>;
> > > > #size-cells = <1>;
> > > >
> > > > /* 16 MiB of framebuffer mapped to top of IOVA */
> > > > fb: fb@ff000000 {
> > > > reg = <0 0xff000000 0 0x01000000>;
> > > > memory-region = <&framebuffer>;
> > > > };
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > display@40000000 {
> > > > ...
> > > > /* optional? */
> > > > memory-region = <&framebuffer>;
> > > > iov-memory-regions = <&fb>;
> > > > ...
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > It's interesting how identity mapped regions now become a trivial
> > > > special case of mappings. All that is needed is to make the reg property
> > > > of the IOV reserved region correspond to the reg property of the normal
> > > > reserved region. Alternatively, as a small optimization for lazy people
> > > > like me, we could just allow these cases to omit the reg property and
> > > > instead inherit it from the referenced reserved region.
> > > >
> > > > As the second example shows it might be convenient if memory-region
> > > > could be derived from iov-memory-regions. This could be useful for cases
> > > > where the driver wants to do something with the physical pages of the
> > > > reserved region (such as mapping them and copying out the framebuffer
> > > > data to another buffer so that the reserved memory can be recycled). If
> > > > we have the IOV reserved region, we could provide an API to extract the
> > > > physical reserved region (if it exists). That way we could avoid
> > > > referencing it twice in DT. Then again, there's something elegant about
> > > > the explicit second reference to. It indicates the intent that we may
> > > > want to use the region for something other than just the IOV mapping.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, this has been long enough. Let me know what you think. Alyssa,
> > > > Sven, it'd be interesting to hear if you think this could work as a
> > > > solution to the problem on M1.
> > > >
> > > > Rob, I think you might like this alternative because it basically gets
> > > > rid of all the points in the original proposal that you were concerned
> > > > about. Let me know what you think.
> > >
> > > Couldn't we keep this all in /reserved-memory? Just add an iova
> > > version of reg. Perhaps abuse 'assigned-address' for this purpose. The
> > > issue I see would be handling reserved iova areas without a physical
> > > area. That can be handled with just a iova and no reg. We already have
> > > a no reg case.
> >
> > I had thought about that initially. One thing I'm worried about is that
> > every child node in /reserved-memory will effectively cause the memory
> > that it described to be reserved. But we don't want that for regions
> > that are "virtual only" (i.e. IOMMU reservations).
>
> By virtual only, you mean no physical mapping, just a region of
> virtual space, right? For that we'd have no 'reg' and therefore no
> (physical) reservation by the OS. It's similar to non-static regions.
> You need a specific handler for them. We'd probably want a compatible
> as well for these virtual reservations.
Yeah, these would be purely used for reserving regions in the IOVA so
that they won't be used by the IOVA allocator. Typically these would be
used for cases where those addresses have some special meaning.
Do we want something like:
compatible = "iommu-reserved";
for these? Or would that need to be:
compatible = "linux,iommu-reserved";
? There seems to be a mix of vendor-prefix vs. non-vendor-prefix
compatible strings in the reserved-memory DT bindings directory.
On the other hand, do we actually need the compatible string? Because we
don't really want to associate much extra information with this like we
do for example with "shared-dma-pool". The logic to handle this would
all be within the IOMMU framework. All we really need is for the
standard reservation code to skip nodes that don't have a reg property
so we don't reserve memory for "virtual-only" allocations.
> Are these being global in DT going to be a problem? Presumably we have
> a virtual space per IOMMU. We'd know which IOMMU based on a device's
> 'iommus' and 'memory-region' properties, but within /reserved-memory
> we wouldn't be able to distinguish overlapping addresses from separate
> address spaces. Or we could have 2 different IOVAs for 1 physical
> space. That could be solved with something like this:
>
> iommu-addresses = <&iommu1 <address cells> <size cells>>;
The only case that would be problematic would be if we have overlapping
physical regions, because that will probably trip up the standard code.
But this could also be worked around by looking at iommu-addresses. For
example, if we had something like this:
reserved-memory {
fb_dc0: fb@80000000 {
reg = <0x80000000 0x01000000>;
iommu-addresses = <0xa0000000 0x01000000>;
};
fb_dc1: fb@80000000 {
reg = <0x80000000 0x01000000>;
iommu-addresses = <0xb0000000 0x01000000>;
};
};
We could make the code identify that this is for the same physical
reservation (maybe make it so that reg needs to match exactly for this
to be recognized) but with different virtual allocations.
On a side-note: do we really need to repeat the size? I'd think if we
want mappings then we'd likely want them for the whole reservation.
I'd like to keep references to IOMMUs out of this because they would be
duplicated. We will only use these nodes if they are referenced by a
device node that also has an iommus property. Also, the IOMMU reference
itself isn't enough. We'd also need to support the complete specifier
because you can have things like SIDs in there to specify the exact
address space that a device uses.
Also, for some of these they may be reused independently of the IOMMU
address space. For example the Tegra framebuffer identity mapping can
be used by either of the 2-4 display controllers, each with (at least
potentially) their own address space. But we don't want to have to
describe the identity mapping separately for each display controller.
Another thing to consider is that these nodes will often be added by
firmware (e.g. firmware will allocate the framebuffer and set up the
corresponding reserved memory region in DT). Wiring up references like
this would get very complicated very quickly.
> Or the other way to do this is reuse 'iommus' property to define the
> mapping of each address entry to iommu.
>
> > Obviously we can fix that in Linux, but what about other operating
> > systems? Currently "reg" is a required property for statically allocated
> > regions (which all of these would be). Do you have an idea of how widely
> > that's used? What about other OSes, or bootloaders, what if they
> > encounter these nodes that don't have a "reg" property?
>
> Without 'reg', there must be a compatible that the client understands
> or the node should be ignored.
>
> My suspicion is that /reserved-memory is abused for all sorts of
> things downstream, but that's not really relevant here.
Yeah, my only concern was that we might break users of this that are not
sophisticated enough to handle the nuances that we'd introduce here. If
we can assume that nodes without a reg property will be ignored, then I
think that's good enough.
Thierry
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