Begin forwarded message:
From: Richard Wiggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: December 29, 2006 1:32:02 AM EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Quake cuts off much of Asia Internet
Dave,
It might be useful to lower the temperature of this discussion a bit.
Most folks in the US probably have very few correspondents in Asia,
including English speaking Asia. In any event, a large percent of my
Gmail inbox comes from China or Korea, and my spam folder includes
many messages encoded in Asian languages, which I can't read. It's
guaranteed that virtuallly all such messages are spam.
If you don't correspond with very many people in Asia it is entirely
plausible that 95% of the messages you get from Asia are spam.
Reliable estimates are that, with the recent (within the last 3
months) doubling of spam volume, 80% of all mail on the Internet is
spam. It could easily be as well that if your mailbox resides in
Asia that 95% of your incoming spam mail is from North America.
Please, let's not be xenophobic about this.
/rich
On 12/28/06, David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: December 28, 2006 11:01:59 AM EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Brett Glass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [IP] Quake cuts off much of Asia Internet
I saw what you're seeing - in spades. We run a large enough network I
guess (~ 40 million users around the world) and yes, we're based in
Hong
Kong, so we ran into some of those slowdowns you mentioned .. and
we do
like to think we're antispam.
Sure, if you run a mailserver that's basically "friends and family
on an
adsl line" - or even a tiny ISP in Podunk [oh wait, Laramie ..
similarly
sized, that] you aren't going to see the big picture at all, much
as I'd
like IP'ers to see it, and not randomly generalize and pontificate.
[or
am I expecting too much?]
Fun generalization that 95% of the asiapac email traffic you see is
spam
.. but then you probably don't know anybody there (e&oe traffic on
lists
you're subscribed to) so no particular loss for you if you go firewall
off the asiapac [hint: that's not just taiwan, china and korea - it
includes Australia for example, also badly affected by the
slowdown, and
which happens to be one of the most proactively antispam countries in
the world, with an excellent antispam law]
A lot of countries (governments, even .. hard as it may be for some
longtime IP'ers to believe) in the asiapac do take action against
spam,
you know ..
And last I saw, the US was still top dog when it came to originating
spam, most of the spamhaus top 200 are in the USA (and several others
are all over the map Russia / eastern Europe / Israel etc) - while
China's actually gone and pulled itself out of a position that was
firmly on top of the spamhaus spam sources list (they're 3rd or 4th
now
I believe)
This is not to play down the extent the problem there - it just serves
to put things in a certain amount of perspective that IP often
tends to
lack, thanks to stuff like "95% of email from the asiapac is spam"
Get a real network, Brett .. you'll get some real stats that way. Or
google around some, read the news a bit.
srs (http://www.apcauce.org)
David Farber wrote:
>
> Dave: IPers might be interested in knowing that, as a result of this
> slowdown, we have already seen a noticeable decrease in the
amount of
> spam we've received -- much of which originates in Taiwan, China,
and
> South Korea. (The flow of spam from South America, Poland, Germany,
> Italy, and American "zombie" machines -- the latter mostly on cable
> modems and Verizon DSL or FIOS -- has, alas, continued unabated. But
> the impact is still significant.)
>
> Because more than 95% of the traffic we receive from the Asia-
Pacific
> region is spam, it occurs to me that if these countries made an
> effort to
> limit the amount of spam they generated, it might ameliorate or even
> eliminate the slowdown while the fiber optic cables were repaired.
>
> --Brett Glass, LARIAT.NET
>
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