Great summary Thanks,
Jerry On Aug 22, 10:52 pm, "Ishan Anand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also athttp://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgdgr5ct_19dtwck9 > > What > East Bay iPhone Developers Meetinghttp://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/234913/ > > Where > Berkeley Coworking > > When > Tuesday August 21, 2007, 7- 10pm. > > Who > Chris > Jonathan > Patrick > Jerry > Ishan > > Minutes > > - Jonathan led a discussion of mobile phone billing systems and the > differences between the European and American mobile market. > - American mobile market carriers subsidize the cost of the > phones and their locked to their carrier. > - European mobile market users pay the cost of the phone and can > move it between carriers. > - In European market, the initiator of the call typically > pays for the call vs. American model where both caller and > callee are charge > for a call. > - Vodafone likely carrrier for iPhone European release. > Speculation they may lock the phone to Vodafone, which is unusual for > the > European market. > - In the iPhone may do better in European market, since > customers there are used to paying the upfront cost of the phone. > - In most European countries, users buy mobile applications, > ringtones, etc. through the carrier. > - In Germany however, users typically purchase through a > portal (Jamba.de) > - Most of these services are billed through SMS billing. > - Open Question: Has anyone successfully got consumers to pay > for iPhone Apps? > - No one knew of anyone. > - Possible Billing Systems: > - PC: Users pay via their PC. > - Kills impulse purchases. > - SMS: Users sends SMS text code, then gets confirmation > code from carrier to agree to a charge which shows up on > their phone bill. > - Perfect for impulse buys. Easier than credit card. > > - Popular in Europe. > - Carrier usually takes about a 50% or so cut. > - Minimum monthly revenue to join (e.g. $200/mo.). > - Need to work with each carrier or a third party > SMS gateway/aggregator (e.g. Wireless Developer.com > ). > - Web On Phone: Taking credit card or paypal payments > through the iPhone Safari browser. > - Pros: > - Cheap. > - Cons > - Slow. Paypal is not iPhone optimized > - Each click or page a user must go through > for a payment will cost you 70% of your potential customers. > - iTunes: Apple could like users purchase Apps > through iTunes like they do for music. > - Well understood and accepted by users. > - Apple not supporting this yet. May never do this. > - Must be on the computer to purchase through > iTunes, so lose impulse purchases. > - Voice: Use tel link to route calls to a billing > operator. > - Has infrastructure cost. > - Not familiar to mobile users as a billing method. > - Other? > - Paypal mobile > - No one present had any first hand experience > with Paypal mobile. > - Jonathan: In the past, Cingular has > discouraged usage of 3rd party payment systes ( > e.g. Paypal mobile) by mobile website > operators. Claim was that you would be disconnected > from the mobile network > for using 3rd party payment system but don't know if it > was enforced or > carried out. > - Brief discussion of Microformats for iPhone > Applications > - Some companies has come out with their own competitors to hWidget in > the past month. Discussed on the microformats mailing list. > - Format should distinguish between: > - this site is an iPhone App > - this site is an iPhone version of an existing desktop > website > - this is a mobile web page > - Need a meta tag that redirects from a desktop page to its > iPhone version. > - Example:www.facebook.comhas a meta tag telling browser > that the iPhone version is at iphone.facebook.com > - Needs Apple to support it. > - Would be useful now for spidering. > - Call for Action > - Chris and a number of other iPhoneWebDev developers will be at > the Apple tech talk this Friday. The iphonewebdev community may want to > generate a list of top priority issues and bugs to present to the Apple > folks. > - Random/Miscellaneous > - Restroom Web App (mizpee.com) > - Jott.com. Transcribes voice calls to SMS. 877-568-8486. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iPhoneWebDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/iphonewebdev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
