Andy, Guess its only impressive if you know what we actually have accomplished, and you have to be familiar with icefaces for that.
POC is that outside of the mobile market icefaces is making a mark on the ajax world, and building iphone applications with it should give better control and performance. In a few days there will be a poc that pulls something from our servers, there are also a lot more jsf developers than there are iphone developers. This is not easy we all have day jobs that pay the bills, some of us have kids too. The original iul demo that joe Hewit put out if I remember right was static content too. To stream real honest to goodness video from a mediaserver to the internet we need to set up somekind of proxy to get outside of the local area network restrictions many media servers have, some of us are a little worried about even trying that because our legal defense fund is about 0, but an iphone application restricted to someone's own network is going be next to useless, so there will be some limited internet streaming from the start. ...Stopped development. no, just had to slow down when the company I work for decided they just had to have a jsf (with icefaces) application completed in a "crazy " time period. So in additon to being a single parent I was working 60 to 70 hour weeks. Kind of hard to do anything else. And we are in Michigan not a good state to get on the bad side of your employer. We put what we had into subversion both on our site and sourceforge but there wasn't time to build a proper install script or good documentation. If you know what your doing you could set up something similar to the demo we did on utube. But performance shall we say was sorely lacking. to your credit, eyeconnect seemed to be the best server it worked with. Although twonkyvision came in as a close second. There are 2 other developers but essentially this project is my idea, things have eased up and I am determined to get not one but several Iphone open source products out this year (we have been working with the new sdk), the streamer will hopefull be ready sometimes shortly after firmware 2,0 launch, the backend is essentially done we are concentrating on UI. Icefaces.... Just in case this does not pan out one of the other developers is buiding an interface using gwt, the majority of iphone applications I saw just use javascript I consider that a non starter. if you look at the icefaces site you'll see they have an impressive suite of components all open source. They did demonstrate mobile capablilities but have published little on how they did it, we basically started our project from 0. Tomcat... Well we may try glashfish, but other mediaservers (pinnacle showcenter) for instance use tomcat as a backend server and do fairly well. Tomcat NIO has impressing non-blocking capablilites and none of us have the skills to write anything that is even close. Icefaces has its own server AHS that handles all xmlhttprequests and that has impressive impressive we are exploring that too, but that requires something like jboss or tomcat with a jmx messaging server. not something that easy to configure. We are also planning to use spring and spring web flow in one of our projects and you can't make that work from a custom server. we want to be cross platform but there is no reason we couldn't use .net on windows, except that we are mostly mac people. Personally I'm not found of windows, and I hate Vista for countless reasons. Finally... Andy your comments are appreciated, but a bit brunt , please cut us some slack. No one is breaking any arms to force them to click my link, I have explained in each post that this is just a ui example using icefaces nothing else at this point... But just wait. Every company starts somewhere and we are at the lowest rung possible. We have yet to officially incorporate but that is coming really soon too. :) On May 18, 4:34 am, Andy Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18.05.08 04:54, "shelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It seems to work somewhat in Safari 3.1, not in the simulator yet , I > > can't tell from your screen shots what you mean by not working ... > > 'Not working' means: it does NOTHING ;-) > > > Right now its just a proof of concept interface demo. > > Drawing a couple of elements to a browser window is not a very impressive > proof of concept - if you know what I mean :-) > > > Outside of icefaces I don't know anyone actually trying to write > > custom controls for the iphone with icefaces. > > I don't even know what icefaces is... I remember, you did something similar > last year, but in a sudden dropped development. Unfortunately I never could > get my hands on something working. > > > degraded rapidly. We decided to move to an actual application server > > tomcat 6 and jsf. And thats were we are at now. I see you work for > > elgato which is great because I love eyeconnect and that is one of our > > Tomcat + jsp is not a good option IMHO. We dropped that a couple of years > ago with our EyeHome product. I always prefer to use my own integrated > server (as EyeConnect does). So you have much better control on performance, > bugs, etc.... That does not mean one can't do it with Tomcat, etc..., it's > just a personal preference. > > andy > > > > > On May 17, 7:53 pm, Andy Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I can't seem to get it to work in Safari (or WebKit nightly) - see attached > >> screenshot. Are there any pre-requisites to follow? > > >> a. > > >> On 17.05.08 22:31, "shelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> think we fixed it, I tried it in the simulator it doesn't size > >>> correctly but otherwise seems rock solid. > > >>> On May 17, 1:21 pm, shelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> update.... > > >>>> Ok, found the issue and will fix in a couple days, its in the backport > >>>> util jar release with icefaces 1.7. > >>>> Thanks for letting us know, we just did not have time to test on a > >>>> real iphone or touch yet. Also datatable will be replaced with our own > >>>> version which has a more touch look and feel. > > >>>> On May 17, 1:12 pm, shelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>> yes, thats the biggest issue now, I posted that on the icefaces forum, > >>>>> I'm waiting for an answer. I think its just server config because we > >>>>> don't have that issue at work were we use icefaces. be a shame if it > >>>>> turns out to be a showstopper because icefaces is a nice component > >>>>> library. We are trying for a launch date sometimes shortly after > >>>>> firmware 2.0 comes out officially, Right now the back end works with > >>>>> elgato eyeconnect and a few other media servers. our fallback would be > >>>>> to use google web toolkit. excuse my bad typing on iul. :) > > >>>>> On May 17, 9:29 am, Chrilith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>> Ok should be iUI not LUL (?) :) > > >>>>>> I can load it up on my iPod Touch but nothing is working, it locked on > >>>>>> "user session expired" dialog and then I was unable to do anything. > > >>>>>> On 17 mai, 15:09, shelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> not working... > > >>>>>>> Are saying you can't hit the server.... please let me know what is not > >>>>>>> working. we know it does not work on the iphone yet but you should be > >>>>>>> able to bring it up in a browser. Although sometimes the dsl > >>>>>>> connection has issues. > >>>>>>> I don't have an lul link, lul is an open source specification for the > >>>>>>> look and feel of iphone ui, it talked about in this forum a lot. > > >>>>>>> On May 17, 7:23 am, Chrilith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Just tested, in fact is is not working ;) > > >>>>>>>> Could you provide a link to what LUL is ? > > >>>>>>>> On 16 mai, 22:53, shelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> We are developing a streaming video application for the iphone using > >>>>>>>>> an ui based on joe hewitts lul but using custom written icefaces > >>>>>>>>> components. > > >>>>>>>>> The plan is to use an expanded version of bonjoir (dns-sd) to locate > >>>>>>>>> local resources and stream from those mediaservers to the iphone. > >>>>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>>> bonjoir search would be objective C and launch a webkit browser with > >>>>>>>>> to access the backend java server. > > >>>>>>>>> try it, this does not work yet on an iphone or the simulator but it > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> close. Also tis is a very small server. > > >>>>>>>>>http://99.139.107.197:8080/selection-tutorial-icetab1/ > > >>>>>>>>>www.mooncatventures.com > > >> Bild 4.png > >> 55KDownload- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iPhoneWebDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/iphonewebdev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
