Remi and Lee A., I think you might want to chill a little.
Why would someone want a link to the main site? Because whoever created the mobile site messed up and didn't give the user full functionality. Or could it be that they are coming in on a tablet and the mobile site is designed for phones? Both of these are bad design/ implementation issues. They should be handled by better design/ implementation. Unfortunately most web sites are horribly designed from both the user experience standpoint as well as functionality. Why zoom? There are a lot of people out there with compromised vision. Do you want them to not use your site because they can't see the text? They use zoom a lot in their computing. Landscape? It has it's plusses and minuses. Why not just plan ahead, design/create for both and then let the user decide. I'm not saying that I'm any better at site design than your normal engineer/programmer. I'm not. But let's keep the discussion civil and our minds open. Lee B. On May 25, 7:39 am, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > There is no 100% cases solution. > Otherwise a stupid computer program could do it all by itself. > > Examples:> do not lock mobile visitors into the mobile site > > - Explain me what benefit a mobile user could get from a flash-based > desktop website link on the mobile one? > - Why the hell would he/she needs a link to the desktop version of a > wallpaper website when the mobile one where the mobile one gives > device screen optimized wallpapers? > - I just see no bloody point to get a link to the dekstop flash sound > player soundcloud.com when the mobile website is all about HTML5 audio > in mp3 > - Why would i need to access a small fonts sized heavy and long > loading time rollover based website when i can get a touchscreen > adapted one? > > You seem pretty sure you know more than other people here how to > optimize web to mobile (and you probably do, who knows?!) > So why would i need an access to the desktop website since the mobile > web UX you gonna give will be such a delight? :) > > > do not disable zooming > > Oh yeah, you're right, so cool to use native-like webGUIs like iUI or > JQTouch provide. Pressing links and just see the half of the screen > sliding. > People love to have to choice between a good or a broken experience, > instead of having no choice of a good one. > That's why WindowsCE & PalmOS5 blows iOS market share: having the most > possible choice is totally adapted to "4 seconds to convince" > on-the-go mobile users! > > Your facts could be right for your projects, needs, problem solving. > But others might have some others than yours... > > R. > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 14:25, Lee Andron <l...@andron.com> wrote: > > Rob, do you really feel that there are rules that apply in every situation? > > I can see you feel strongly, but what do you think gives you the right to > > impose the things you prefer onto everyone else? > > > -Lee > > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:35 PM, RobG <rg...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > >> It seems that every site that ever there was has decided to create a > >> "mobile" version of their site so that when I visit with my iPhone, I > >> get the mobile version, not the "real" version. While I appreciate > >> that developers are trying to improve my experience of their site, > >> there are a couple of fundamental design decisions that are completely > >> at odds with that goal. > > >> Firstly, do not lock mobile visitors into the mobile site. Makers of > >> mobile browsers have gone to great lengths to provide features to > >> acommodate normal web sites on small screens. Most users of mobile > >> devices are quite capable of using those features (tap-zooming and > >> panning being the most obvious) to browse "normal" web sites. > > >> If there is a need for a small, light-weight version of the site for > >> mobile users, by all means make it availble but *please* provide a > >> "Full web site here" button. There should also be a button from the > >> main site to the light-weight site, as many "desktop" visitors may > >> prefer to use the slimed-down interface and simpler functionality > >> (i.e. they'd like to escape the often overloaded and crowded interface > >> of most web sites when they have a specific function to perform). > > >> I believe that sites shouldn't require two different interfaces, but > >> I'm very much into efficient functionality and don't care much for the > >> overloaded graphics and effects of many current sites. > > >> Secondly, do not, under *any* circumstatnces, disable zooming. Sites > >> that lock the scale at 1:1 are absolutely detestable. You are saying > >> to your visitors "if you can't read this font at this size, FOAD". > >> Most mobile sites use the smallest font they think they can get away > >> with, so when I'm on a crowded, bumpy train in bad light trying to > >> read a web site and I can't zoom in to get bigger text, I just leave. > >> And I don't go back unless I really, really must. > > >> Lastly, do not prevent landscape mode. That is the last resort for > >> attempting to get the font a little bigger and only emphasises an > >> ignorance of the needs of mobile users. > > >> There is absolutely no practical reason to do any of the above. > >> Designers must realise that users will make up their own minds about > >> how to use a site, and that they may use it in ways that the designer > >> doesn't expect. But when pages are downloaded to a users' browser, > >> they become the users' property and they should be able to actually > >> *use* the site in the way that suits them best. > > >> -- > >> Rob > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "iPhoneWebDev" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to iphonewebdev@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> iphonewebdev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/iphonewebdev?hl=en. > > > -- > > -Lee Andron > > 617-272-0936 > >http://www.linkedin.com/in/andron > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "iPhoneWebDev" group. > > To post to this group, send email to iphonewebdev@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > iphonewebdev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/iphonewebdev?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iPhoneWebDev" group. 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