On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:10:32PM +0200, Francis Dupont wrote:
>  In your previous mail you wrote:
> 
>    But you make a good point about security.  If people get the idea 
>    (correctly or not) that they're sacrificing security by supporting v6,   
>    they won't bother deploying it.  We need to have v6 border routers
>    that deliver the same degree of security as NATs do, without actually
>    translating addresses.
>    
> => this is easy for TCP (or any connected transport, cf the tcp
> established of Cisco routers) but I can't see a way to do this for
> UDP without keeping state... Of course this argument doesn't apply
> if a real firewall is used (stateless firewalls are out of the market
> or should be ASAP).

Site local scope and multi-addressing of nodes makes this fairly
trivial.  If services that should only be available at a site local
level are only bound to site-local scope and border routers properly
enforce that, then there's no problem.

You don't need to filter incoming UDP if nobody's running a UDP
listener on a global address.  This makes IPv6 every bit as 'secure'
as NAPT, and without the kind of ugly application proxies needed
for protocols like FTP, H.323, IRC DCC, and others.

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