The cork is already off the bottle so here I go too :-)

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As the always-on network is becoming popular, lots of nodes, not
> only ordinary PCs but also various information appliances such as
> sensors, home appliances, AV equipments, are to be connected to the
> Internet.

Note: there isn't much discussion on certain MIPv6-mandated subjects, like 
Home Address Option processing.  One will have to clarify this; however 
MIPv6 is under much discussion as right now so the situation could change.

--8<--
3.3 Neighbor Discovery for IP Version 6 (IPv6) (RFC2461) [22]
    Because of IPv6 minimum host definition, the following functions for 
    routers can be omitted.  
    
    - Sending router advertise messages 
    - Receiving router solicitation messages 
    - Sending redirect messages 
--8<--

I don't think it's a good idea to suggest router solicitations can be 
omitted.  MinRtrAdvInterval could be rather large, and it might take very 
long to get the next periodical advertiment.  RS is not such a complex 
matter.

--8<--
4.1 Consideration of security for LCNAs
    [...]
    
    Currently, there are several issues that prevents from realizing
    security even if IPsec minimum specification is implemented. The
    first issue is the network environment. In order to deploy minimum
    hosts on current network environment, we cannot neglect existing
    IPv4 networks. So, we have to assume NAT or IPv4/IPv6 translators
    between the minimum host and the correspondent host. Current IPsec
    cannot handle such a situation, which means the effectiveness of
    security mechanism relying upon IPsec is very limited.    
--8<--    

The draft didn't want to discuss transition issues (2.2), now you bring 
them up anyway.  I think it's very safe to assume that IPv6 space the 
application seems is fully global without NAT's or anything.  

Further, I'm not sure whether there actually much need to be able to use 
IPSEC (or any connections) past the translator.  A picture:

Internet --- ISP router --- Home Router --- LCNA box

The translation happens either in Internet, ISP router or Home Router.  
The primary target of the services are home users, that is, those that 
would never need translation or are pretty safe anyway.

If someone would like to use LCNA from the Internet, I'd suggest mandating 
IPv6; we cannot be held hostage by legacy IPv4/NAT (plus how these affect 
IPSEC) issues.

Therefore I think it might be safe to assume there are no unsurmountable 
problems w.r.t. IPSEC use.

--8<--
6. Security Consideration
    RFC3401 
--8<--
RFC3041 :-)


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Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords


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