At 2:07 PM -0700 5/24/10, Dan Harkins wrote:
>  This is out-of-line.

Would it have been less out-of-line if I, the other co-chair wrote it? Or if 
someone who is not a co-chair but understands how the IETF process is supposed 
to work wrote it?

FWIW, I agree with what Yaron wrote. If there is little or no interest in 
advancing this work other than from the authors of the drafts, we should 
strongly consider taking it out of the WG charter. You disagree, and others 
might agree with you or with Yaron.

>  I apologize for the tardiness of my post kicking off discussion on my
>candidate proposal but I was traveling for the past week-and-a-half and
>was otherwise indisposed. Hopefully this will start a discussion but if
>it doesn't then I would expect the same treatment of this work item as
>that given to EAP-only.

Your candidate proposal (and the other two candidate proposals) do not have the 
same standing as the single EAP-only draft. We are supposed to be choosing one 
proposal first, then working on that one. If there is not enough interest to 
even choose a proposal among three (so far) that seem to be reasonably well 
worked-out, why should we believe that there will be enough interest to 
adequately review the chosen proposal?

It would be grand if the authors of even one of the various proposals could get 
enough independent interest in their proposals to show that we can do good work 
on the charter item. Dan has started a thread on his proposal; I assume Yaron 
will do so as well. What counts to me is whether others take up the threads 
with "that sounds right" or "that doesn't meet my criteria for this reason" and 
so on.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium
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