On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:

> 
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:55 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> 
>> In an environment with many IPsec gateways and remote clients that share an 
>> established trust infrastructure (in a single administrative domain or 
>> across multiple domains), customers want to get on-demand mesh IPsec 
>> capability for efficiency. However, this cannot be feasibly accomplished 
>> only with today's IPsec and IKE due to problems with address lookup, 
>> reachability, policy configuration, etc.
> 
> I don't think "mesh" is a well-defined term here. How about "point-to-point"?

point to point sounds to me too much like the old host-to-host IPsec idea that 
never quite took off. I know this is part of Chris's use case, but I don't 
think that's our main focus. I can live with either point-to-point or mesh, but 
either way we'll have to define it in the first deliverable.

> 
>> The IPsecME working group will handle this large scale VPN problem by 
>> delivering the following:
>> 
>> * The working group will create a problem statement document including use 
>> cases, definitions and proper requirements for discovery and updates. This 
>> document would be solution-agnostic. Should reach WG last call around 
>> October 2012.
>> 
>> * The working group will review and help publish Informational documents 
>> describing current vendor proprietary solutions. These should be ready for 
>> IETF last call by August 2012.
>> 
>> * The working group will choose a common solution for the discovery and 
>> update problems that will satisfy the requirements in the problem statement 
>> document. The working group may consider multiple proposals, and then choose 
>> one to bring to the standards track.
> 
> We would need a deadline for the last item. I suggest "December 2013".

Works for me. I was hesitant to suggest a date.
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