On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Dan Harkins wrote:

Subject: [IPsec] New I-D on IKEv3

Some remarks

- stateless IKE

I like not dealing with lingering IKE SA's, but how to tell if a
connection is dead? idletime on the IPsec SA? How to do DPD?

When a roadwarrior pops up at IP A, and then at IP B, etc, how do
we get rid of IPsec SA A, B etc. Or do we ignore the outer IP completely
and don't care about SRC/DST of the ESP packets and just send answers
the the latest IP-port we saw?

- "Only one instance of the IKEv3 protocol SHALL be run at time between
   any two peers."

What about NAT, I guess you do mean "peers" and not "IPs" but can we
always tell?

- algorithm selection

The responder can look at the initiator SPI and match up its SPI lower
bits to give its own proposal a slight edge. Could that be problematic?

- ID_BLOB_ID

I like this! And already have a use for it

- "and two Traffic Selector payloads (TS)"

In IKEv2 and here I always found it very confusing to talk about
"Traffic Selector payload" payload and the "Traffic Selector" payload.
There should really be better terms for that.

- I'm still not a fan of narrowing, see my earlier comments on ipsecme.
  It destroys the concept of a tunnel being "up" or "down". If you
  insist on narrowing, clearly state what should happen for traffic
  selectors outside the narrowed set, DROPed or ACCEPTed plaintext?
  Related: all the IKEv2 text about meaning of the first and second TS
  payload is missing (eg the src/dst of the trigger and the src/dst of
  the negiating SA). Was that intentional?

- Why still support AH?

- What happened to NAT Traversal negotiation? back to vendorids?

- Should compression be disallowed?

Paul
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