Hi, Yaron

Suppose that instead of sending the message to the list yesterday, Valery had 
submitted his comments as errata a few months ago, before Sean asked us to do 
the revision. Would those errata not have been verified?

If so (and I think it's true for at least #3, #4, #7, and #11, and #6 would 
also merit some new text), the corrections would now be in the draft. So why 
not now?

Yoav

On Oct 19, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Yaron Sheffer <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Hi Yaron,
>> 
>>> Hi Valery,
>>> 
>>> Sorry for being the Bad Guy on this. Your #6 does not seem editorial to
>> 
>> I think that current text is not aligned with RFC4301.
>> We may leave it as is or try to find other form that
>> would not appear so misaligned.
> 
> Your new text is fine, if we leave it at that. If we try to add text to deal 
> with the exceptional cases (same SPI shared between protocols), this will 
> quickly become normative. I don't want to do it in "bis" and frankly, I think 
> this situation is too rare to matter.
> 
>> 
>>> me. Similarly, #8 (adding new RFC 2119 language) is not editorial. I
>>> would suggest to implement #6 only if it is critical to
>>> interoperability or security, and to forgo #8.
>> 
>> What about #8 - it's just a question from me. From my feeling it must
>> be uppercase, but I might be wrong. We may leave it as is.
> 
> IETF process is very serious about the difference between lowercase and 
> uppercase (see RFC 6919). Maybe it should have been a SHOULD to start with. 
> But we SHOULD NOT change it for a "bis" document.
> 
>> 
>>> By the way, your correction #2 still does not do it IMHO. The sentence
>>> refers to RFC 5996. So:
>>> 
>>> "IKEv2 as stated in RFC 4306 was a change to the IKE protocol that was
>>> not backward compatible. RFC 5996 revised RFC 4306 to provide a
>>> clarification of IKEv2, making minimum changes to the IKEv2 protocol.
>>> The current document slightly revises RFC 5996 to make it suitable for
>>> progression to Internet Standard."
>> 
>> Yes, your text is for RFC5996bis, while I made my notes a while ago
>> and the text was for RFC5996. Of course your variant is better.
>> 
>> Valery.
>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yaron
>>> 
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