On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Waltermire, David A. (Fed) 
<[email protected]> wrote:
      All:

      With the draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection-04 freshly minted, I believe 
the draft is shaping up nicely,
      but needs additional review. To that end, this message starts a Working 
Group Last Call (WGLC) for
      draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection-04.

      The version to be reviewed is 
https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection-04.txt.

      Please send your comments, questions, and edit proposals to the WG mail 
list until March 18, 2015.  If you
      believe that the document is ready to be submitted to the IESG for 
consideration as a Standards Track RFC
      please send a short message stating this.

I think the document is well written with respect to DDOS. I like
everything except the puzzles. It seems a lot of complexity for
no gain, especially with the problem being that botnets are better
at puzzle solving then mobile phones who want to not drain their
batteries. I would prefer this document to proceed without the
puzzles, but I won't object to it if it remains in the document.
As an implementor, it would be extremely unlikely that I would
implement puzzles.

Recently, I also thought about amplification attacks, which is not
covered by the document. For instance, legitimate clients could pad
their IKE_INIT Request as a way to tell the responder they are not just
using the responder to amplify a DDOS attack. I am thinking of making
that the default for some Opportunistic IPsec so it cannot be abused for
amplification. I'd like to see that added to the draft if possible. Or
if this document would not proceed, I would be tempted to write a draft
for this idea.

Paul

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