hi Benedikt, I've tweaked the subject, so the folks can filter it out if needed, given that the discussion is way above L4 :-)
On 10/25/13, Benedikt Stockebrand <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andrew and list, > > Andrew Yourtchenko <[email protected]> writes: > >> <rant> > > ok, I'll bite: > >> I presume that those who want ultimate privacy have inspected >> their browsers to not do evercookies[1], > > Yuck. Good thing only the Internet thing needs this, not e-mail. Oh, > wait... > > Anyway, there are things on the Internet beyond HTTP/s and HTML... True. FTP active mode. It's immortal. :-) > >> removed any features in their browsers identifying them via the >> fingerprint, > > Actually, there *are* people doing this... > > However, pointing at somebody else screwing up as badly as oneself > doesn't help any. With IPv6 we've had a rare occasion to deal with this > problem properly at the network layer; if anybody tries to replace the > HTTP/s and HTML combo with some new design, I sure hope they will > address their side of the problem, too, so the problem might be solved > there in as little as 20+ years... The problem I think did not really exist at the time IPv6 was defined - so it is not fair to say we "have had" an occasion. And now it is http://xkcd.com/927/. Tricky. > >> and ensured that the call-home feature of their favourite operating >> system and the apps is deactivated, > > Same issue, only worse. Within the IETF/W3C and similar, there's some > sort of chance that they at least understand the issues involved here. > Chances are getting slimmer with OS vendors, worse with browser > developers/vendors, and next to null (for \epsilon < 0) with apps > developers/vendors. exactly. > >> as well as taking care that they manually reconfigure the >> new mac address on each new connection. </rant> > > Come on, you know that this is unfair. The MAC address is only visible > on-link (except through EUI64-based IIDs), so the damage here is > severely restricted, especially in an environment that is seriously > subnetted. Yes, this one I did throw in for good measure, but only partially. Because the MAC address is logged, in a general case. Where it is sent is something I do not know and do not want to know, to maintain the quality of my sleep :-) > > If we wanted to do this properly, why not switch from Ethernet to PPPoE > all the way--- This has triggered my fantasy to go far and wild enough that even I considered that the result does not belong to a mail on the technical list, so I instead edited it into a little fiction piece, which I hope you might find entertaining: http://stdio.be/blog/2013-10-25-One-completely-random-passage-of-thought/ :-) --a > > > Cheers, > > Benedikt > > PS: Sarcasm markup left as an exercise to the so inclined reader. > > -- > Business Grade IPv6 > Consulting, Training, Projects > > Stepladder IT Training+Consulting GmbH Benedikt Stockebrand > Fichardstr. 38, 60322 Frankfurt/Main Dipl.-Inform./Geschäftsführer > HRB 94202, Registergericht Frankfurt/M [email protected] > http://www.stepladder-it.com/ +49 (0) 69 - 247 512 362 > http://www.benedikt-stockebrand.de/ +49 (0) 177 - 41 73 985 > > Bitte kein Spam, keine unaufgeforderten Werbeanrufe, keine telefonischen > Umfragen. Anrufe werden ggf. zu rechtlichen Zwecken aufgezeichnet. > No spam, no unsolicited sales calls, no telephone surveys, please. Calls > may be recorded for legal purposes. >
