Apologies if this has already been suggested, but...

How hard would it be for HE to provide a an API for Netflix to query for HE 
prefixes? 

For any given v6 address, HE should have a mapping for the associated (IPv4) 
tunnel source address readily available. Netflix would query HE and in turn 
perform the geolocation check based on the tunnel source. 

Sure, there's a little work to do here by HE and Netflix, including a UI for 
user opt-in/out, but for the "honest" tunnel user not trying to circumvent the 
system, perhaps it's a constructive way forward? (and generally applicable for 
other providers doing the same)

- Mark

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:18, Michael Oghia <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> Thank you for your insight on this and for linking to your past statement. It 
> would be great if someone from Netflix could get involved in the discussion. 
> Has this ever happened before? Of course, speaking among ourselves without 
> their input or without them being invested in any process that seeks to 
> change it is, frankly, pointless. From what I gather from your message, at 
> least one improvement could be to technical support.
> 
> Has anyone ever reached out to someone or one of their contacts who works 
> with Netflix, especially someone regarding this issue/area? 
> 
> Best,
> -Michael
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Brandon Butterworth <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> On Wed Jun 15, 2016 at 08:57:03AM +0300, Michael Oghia wrote:
>> > While following this thread, it occurred to me that one issue not being
>> > discussed is Netflix's encouragement to revert to IPv4
>> 
>> They could do that better, instead of just telling users to turn off v6
>> they might explain that it's because they are using a tunnel/vpn and
>> that they should ask their ISP for native IPv6 instead.
>> 
>> I don't know the numbers involved but they may have decided that a few
>> tunnel users should be able to figure that for themselves if they
>> already figured out how to set up a tunnel. Or they are just giving
>> the lazy answer (and expect ISPs to sort it out when they roll out
>> native IPv6)
>> 
>> This has all been done to death on the nanog list (my contribution to
>> the noise is below)
>> 
>> > Thus, the question I pose to the community is this: are there any redress
>> > mechanisms we can use to address this situation at the core of the issue,
>> > i.e., with Netflix, and help them work out solutions -- like some of the
>> > ones offered so far -- to not discourage IPv6? This can include meetings,
>> > mobilizing networks, relationship building, outreach, etc.
>> 
>> I suspect nothing will change (speaking for netflix while guessing
>> the likely reason so there may be more to this)
>> 
>> brandon
>> 
>> ----- Begin Included Message -----
>> >From [email protected]  Sat Jun  4 11:52:29 2016
>> From: Brandon Butterworth <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected], [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> 
>> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 17:35 , Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Letâ's face it folks, if we want to encourage Netflix to tell the
>> > content providers to give up the silly geo-shit, then we have to
>> > stop patronizing channels that do silly geo-shit.
>> 
>> Correct but it needs a lot to do that.
>> 
>> We do the geo thing. I didn't want us to and we didn't for a few years
>> but once the geo people had convinced rights owners it was a viable
>> thing they forced people buying their content to use it. I tried to
>> stop it here and failed but it's never over, people are starting to
>> realise it's silly to annoy people who want your services, you just
>> need to find a way to allow them
>> 
>> To be fair to Netflix the tunnel blocking will likely have been driven
>> by their content suppliers asserting their contractual rights to not
>> allow access from certain places.
>> 
>> Their content suppliers will have seen people boasting how they use
>> tunnels to get round them and tunnel suppliers advertising their
>> services for doing so. Blame them for the blocking as while it was a
>> personal thing they wouldn't have been bothered much.
>> 
>> As usual a few people see an opportunity to make money off something
>> and in the process break it for everyone
>> 
>> btw the list of tunnel providers was likely supplied by the same
>> geo ip people, some sell that as an extra.
>> 
>> brandon
>> ----- End Included Message -----
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