Hi Vlad,

Thanks a lot for your clarification, maybe I am unclear. I am
attaching a document I have attached, just have a look.

First, this only happens when the IPv4 host does not support path mtu
discovery (DF bit is 0).  In this case, inserting a fragment header
at the translator in essence performs the fragmentation that was
requested by the sender.  I just so happens that in this case the
fragment might have offset and M flag set to 0.
There are 2 sides of the problem. The first is that different
protocols use different definition of a fragment, which needs to be
clarified, because some assumption by a protocol may not work in many
cases due to the specification clarity. The second part is the use of
different policies for fragments.

The idea I am stating is that one spec uses the Fragment header to
just signal its ability to perform fragmentation, while others
specs(AH & ESP for one) clearly lay down a differnet way for
identifying an IPv6 fragment and its subsequent treatment. As there
are different policies for fragments, the signaling may not work in
many cases(no I am not talking about policies but the clarification of
the term Fragment - example a Fragment with M = 0 and Offset = 0
should be treated as a non fragmented packet). I do not see any
problem  in clarifying exactly what an IPv6 fragment is so that we can
have a consistent set of specs as well as implementations.

Now you are getting in policies outside of the definition.  The definition
does not have to encompass all eventual uses.  Otherwise we'll be updating
a lot more specs.
No, I am talking about specs too besides practical network scenarios.
If we see a problem in a spec I do not see a reason we should hesitate
in fixing the problems (and its not unprecedented either).

Thanks,
Vishwas

On 6/25/07, Vlad Yasevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vishwas Manral wrote:
> Hi Suresh/ Vlad,
>
> For SIIT the fragment header is used to signal the ability to
> fragment, it does not state it is a fragment itself.

First, this only happens when the IPv4 host does not support path mtu
discovery (DF bit is 0).  In this case, inserting a fragment header
at the translator in essence performs the fragmentation that was
requested by the sender.  I just so happens that in this case the
fragment might have offset and M flag set to 0.

>
>> A fragment with offset 0 and M flag 0 is just treated as the ONLY
>> fragment. No harm don
> But there are different policies for fragments, including some that
> drop fragments. It is not the correct behavior, I feel the definition
> of a fragment should be clarified.

Now you are getting in policies outside of the definition.  The definition
does not have to encompass all eventual uses.  Otherwise we'll be updating
a lot more specs.

-vlad


Network Working Group                                          V. Manral
Internet-Draft                                               IP Infusion   
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               IPv6 Fragments and treatment of Tiny fragments                   
           
                   draft-manral-ipv6-fragments-00


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Abstract

   [RFC2460] defines an IPv6 header called "Fragment Header", which is 
   identified by a Next Header value of 44 in the immediately preceding
   header.  This document clarifies the definition of an IPv6 fragment 
   



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   as well as defines the treatment of what consititues a tiny IPv6 
   Fragment.

Requirements Language

   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
   document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119].

Table of Contents

   1.   Problem Statement  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3

   2.   IPv6 Fragment  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
 
   3.   Tiny Fragments and issues .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

   4.   Additional checks required . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4

   5.   IANA Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5

   6.   Security Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6

   7.   Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7

   8.  References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     8.1   Normative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     8.2   Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8

        Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9

        Intellectual Property and Copyright Statements . . . . . . .  10

















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1.  Problem Statement

   The definition of Fragments is slightly vague in the IPv6 specification.
   This has resulted in different specification using different ways for 
   identifying fragments. The SIIT [RFC2765] specification uses a fragment
   header to signal the ability of a node to fragment an IPv6 packet, the 
   ESP [RFC4303] and AH [RFC4302] assume the existence of an IPV6 Fragment
   header identifies an IPv6 Fragment. As different policies are applied for
   fragments and non-fragments in middle boxes, such ambiguity in the 
   specification can lead to issues.

   Middleboxes generally use 5-tuples to filter out packets. However there
   are cases where  fragmentation can be used to disguise TCP  packets
   from IP filters and other middleboxes [Tiny-Fragment] used in routers and 
   hosts. This document also specifies ways to identify tiny fragments and 
   the subsequent action that needs to be taken, once such a fragment is 
   identified.


2. IPv6 Fragment

   The IPv6 specification [RFC2460] defines a fragment header as:

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |  Next Header  |   Reserved    |      Fragment Offset    |Res|M|
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                         Identification                        |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

   Next Header          8-bit selector.  Identifies the initial header
                        type of the Fragmentable Part of the original
                        packet (defined below).  Uses the same values as
                        the IPv4 Protocol field [RFC-1700 et seq.].

   Reserved             8-bit reserved field.  Initialized to zero for
                        transmission; ignored on reception.

   Fragment Offset      13-bit unsigned integer.  The offset, in 8-octet
                        units, of the data following this header,
                        relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part
                        of the original packet.

   Res                  2-bit reserved field.  Initialized to zero for
                        transmission; ignored on reception.

   M flag               1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment.

   Identification       32 bits is used for facilitating each fragment is 
                        correctly reassembled at the receiver.

   An IPv6 fragment is defined to be an IPv6 packet, which contains the IPv6
   Fragment header as described above, having either the More flag or the 
   Fragment Offset set to have a non 0 value.




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   In turn if an IPv6 packet contains a fragment header, with both the More 
   flag as well as the Fragment Offset fields set to, it is treated exactly 
   like an IPv6 packet without the Fragment header.
      

3. Tiny Fragments and issues

   An IPv6 Tiny Fragment is defined as a non-last fragment which has a payload
   length of less than 1200 octets.

   A lot of middleboxes (firewalls/ IDS and IPS devices) idenfity sessions based
   on a 5-tuple of Source IP address, Destination IP Address, Upper Layer 
   protocol, and the souce and destination ports of the protocol. Such 
   information is available in the first Fragment (Fragment Offset 0 and M flag
   as 1). However in order to bypass checks in middleboxes, smaller first 
   fragments can be sent.

   This document specifies the behavior of any router on encountering a Tiny 
   Fragment. A Tiny Fragment should be treated to have malicious intent and 
SHOULD
   be silently dropped. 





























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4.  IANA Considerations

   This document makes no request of IANA.

   Note to RFC Editor: this section may be removed on publication as an
   RFC.
















































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5.  Security Considerations

   This draft outlines security issues arising from the use of tiny fragments. 
   It further clarifies the definition of a Fragment Header. This draft enhances
   the security of IPv6 network and helps prevent attacks caused by tiny 
   fragments or spec ambiguity.

   No new security requirements result from such proposals.














































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6.  Acknowledgements


   The subject of this draft has been discussed in detail in the IPv6 mailing 
list.
   Elwyn Davies, Suresh Krishnan specially contributed ideas to this draft.


































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7.  References

7.1  Normative References

   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
              Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997.

   [RFC2460]  Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6
              (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998.

   [RFC1700]  Reynolds J. and J. Postel, "Assigned Numbers", RFC1700, 
              October 1994



7.2  Informative References


   [I-D.manral-v6ops-tiny-fragments-issues-02]
              Manral V., "Operational issues with Tiny Fragments in IPv6",      
                            (work in progress), July 2006.

   [RFC2765] Nordmark E., "Stateless IP/ICMP Translation Algorithm (SIIT)",
             February 2000

   [RFC4302] Kent S., "IP Authentication Header (AH)", RFC4302, 
              December 2005

   [RFC4303] Kent S., "IP Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP)", RFC4303, 
             December 2005






















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Contributors Address




Authors' Addresses

   Vishwas Manral
   IP Infusion
   Almora, Uttarakhand
   India

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