Hi all: As a follow-up to what Guy mentioned below, I tried a couple more things: - I tried to stretch a standard Slinky out far enough to get the "turns per foot" ratio down far enough, but standard Slinkys don't stretch that far - they just permanently deform (every child's nightmare...) - I wrapped a 2" PVC frame with a gradual wire spiral that achieved the "magic" 2:1 conductor-to-antenna length ratio. This simulated a Slinky that was actually stretched out far enough. There was absolutely NO difference between this and a standard straight-wire loop.
So, I have delegated my Slinkys, deformed or not, to the dust bin! Kevin S Bainbridge Island, WA > Good report !! 73 KAZ who uses slinkys only as a kid's toy > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Guy Atkins <d...@guyatkins.com> >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM >>To: irca@hard-core-dx.com >>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Slinky EWEs vs Regular Wire (WAS: is this a good >> deal for BOG Wire) >> >>> >>> Hi Dave, >>> >> >>Kevin Schanilec on Bainbridge Island, WA recently did some careful tests >>between his Slinky EWE and an identical one made with normal wire. The >>results really surprised him...here's what he said: >> >>----------- >> >>I am drinking a strong cup of decaf to steady my nerves because, as >>amazing as it might sounds, the wire loop won! >> >>For bare signal, the Slinky version never trailed and was perhaps 3-4 dB >>stronger on various frequencies. This is not surprising, since the two >>Slinkys used comprise about 110 feet of wire, while the wire version only >>has 38 feet of wire; theory says that it should be a few dB better. >> >>However, the signal was always at least as good on the wire version, and >>often noticeably better, especially on marginal signals. My ears time >> and >>time again told me that the difference is that the wire version picks up >>much less local electromagnetic noise - it simply gives a better signal. >>For example, there was a weak station on 1270 that was struggling to stay >>above the neighborhood QRM on the Slinky, but had readable audio on the >>wire. Unless a station was doing fairly well, the wire gave the better >>signal. >> >>This is no fluke. A couple weeks ago, when I first started this Super >>Loop nonsense, I wound two identical 16:1 matching baluns, and did the >>same testing when weak TA's were coming in. The hets and signals on the >>wire were often stronger than on the Slinky, again attesting to the fact >>that the SNR on the wire is better. I decided to wait to get the FLG-100 >>to make sure my kludged baluns weren't influencing the results, and sure >>enough the wire won again. >> >>What's going on here? Gil steered me to the following site: >>http://www.w8ji.com/slinky_and_loaded_beverages.htm >>which includes a discussion of the fact that a Slinky, unless stretched >>VERY long, will have at least 4-6 times more conductor length than actual >>physical length - too many "turns per foot". Too much coiled-up >> conductor >>means that signal wants to fire backwards, towards the feed point. I'm >> no >>physics guru like the web site's author appears to be, but it seems like >> a >>possible explanation. This could mean that my PVC version could be >>hand-wound with 76 feet of wire in a gradual spiral to get 2-3 more dB, >>which I may just try. >> >>---------------------- >> >>Dave, I hope this is helpful before you go to the trouble to build a >> Slinky >>EWE! >> >>73, >> >>Guy Atkins >>Puyallup, WA >>fivebelow.squarespace.com >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: HASCALL, DAVID CIV DFAS [mailto:david.hasc...@dfas.mil] >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:35 AM >>> To: Bill Nollman; a...@lists.wtfda.info; irca@hard-core-dx.com >>> Subject: RE: [Amdx] Is this a good deal (and good wire) for BOG wire? >>> >>> Likewise I'm really fascinated with EWE's to include David Hamilton's >>> Slinky version. Unfortunately they may be too quiet for use here and >>> may need an amp. Wonder if one could put a EWE on the ground? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>IRCA mailing list >>IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >>http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >> >>Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >> >>For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >> >>To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > _______________________________________________ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
