Oh ok, that sounds quite likely.  I plugged their coordinates into the FCC's 
distance finder and I'm about 18.5 miles away at a heading of 69°, which seems 
to match the direction I was aiming for the strongest signal.  It wasn't 
demodulating at all on my AM PL-606 - it sounded just like a broadcast signal 
does when it has just an unmodulated carrier with no program content, just a 
lot narrower when I tuned off frequency (if it makes any difference with 
non-modulation).  Anyway I looked up the coordinates on Google Maps, and it 
appears to be in the area where the Point Loma lighthouse is.
And yes, I'm wanting to build a loop (or a few) sometime.  I'm just not sure 
what type of frame I want to use, yet.  I know a crate loop is out of the 
question due to needing to keep it a reasonable size and make it collapsible.  
I've been considering a PVC frame loop like in Gary DeBock's articles, but when 
I was mentioning the idea to my dad, he thought the PVC wouldn't hold up as 
well in our weather here, where it can exceed 100°F with low humidity in 
summer.  
 
Also I'd need to figure out what type of capacitor to use.  (It would 
definitely be one of the larger types like what Gary uses in his projects, not 
the little cheapies that come with analog-tuned AM and FM radios.)  I'm just 
wondering if there's a way to get a better shape factor (flatter top, steeper 
sides, greater total off-frequency attenuation) by using a double or 
triple-gang capacitor in the design and 2 or 3 coils accordingly?

From: Steve Ratzlaff <[email protected]>
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] How to ID an unmodulated LW carrier?

You are possibly hearing a DGPS station on 302 kHz; there's one on 302 located 
at Point Loma, CA--don't know where that is in relation to you.
http://www.dxinfocentre.com/dgps.htm has info on frequency and locations of NA 
dgps signals. DGPS generally run around 100 watts and generally use good 
antennas, compared to the usual 25 watts and often poor antenna that NDBs use, 
so the DGPS can be a pretty strong signal depending how far you are from it. 
(Or use Google to find out what DGPS is if you don't know anything about it.) 
I'm not sure what DGPS sounds like on an AM radio, if it demodulates it at all; 
a radio with SSB or CW mode you hear the "rattle" of the distinctive 
radioteletype-type signal. There are various software decoders that can be fed 
with the audio output from a radio receiving the signal which show the location 
and other information about the DGPS signal, however a ULR is not a suitable 
radio for use with such software.
If you can solder two wires to a variable capacitor, and wind wires around a 
PVC loop frame (or other type of loop frame) you could make your own 
inexpensive tuned LF loop, and inductively couple your ULR (or other radio that 
uses a ferrite loopstick at LF) to that. There are various loop calculators on 
the internet where you can design the loop given the frame size and desired 
frequency.
73,
Steve

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Airy" <[email protected]>
To: "IRCA List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: [IRCA] How to ID an unmodulated LW carrier?


Hi all...

I briefly checked some LW reception around sunrise this morning using my Tecsun 
PL-606 resting on a barbed-wire fence across the street from my house.

I came across an interesting signal on 302 kHz.

73 and good DX,
Stephen

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