-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > I disagree, and you need look no further than this mailing list to see > the truth. Of the perhaps 40 threads I see started since Apr 3, I see > only 8 that were started by folks from Microsoft...all John Lam...two of > those SVN update emails. So perhaps 6 substantive threads where the > initiator is someone from the IronRuby team. > > In order for an OSS project to work, any core team needs to be having > conversations in the open. Since this is clearly not happening, it would > be the first thing to change. I don't know if it's Microsoft policy or > just an oversight by the IronRuby team. > > And obviously not tossing SVN bundles over the wall would help foster a > bit more dynamic community. It's far more difficult (maybe impossible) > to run an OSS project well if the community members can't update their > working copies to exactly what the core team sees day-to-day. This one > is most likely an MS issue.
I don't usually like to criticize open source projects but I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point. The development process behind JRuby and Rubinius is very open, while IronRuby's one is not nearly enough so. The end result is that JRuby and Rubinius appear to be improving really fast, while IronRuby seems to proceed at a glacial pace. Behind the scenes, this may not be the case, but by looking at the repository this is the impression that one gets. According to ohloh, IronRuby has 2 contributors who made commits, JRuby has 22 and Rubinius 152. JRuby and Rubinius get several commits on a daily basis, while IronRuby's commits are rare and 1 year after its announcement there still hasn't been a single release, the trunk is at version 96 and x = 2 in interactive mode is still broken. While granted IronRuby may appeal to less people than Rubinius or JRuby, I still feel that the development process could benefit a lot from incremental/daily commits, more transparency and a greater deal of control handed to the community. As Charlie mentioned somewhere else, JRuby is not Sun's, it belongs to the community. That statement is entirely backed up by facts, but I'm afraid that, at this stage, it isn' possible to claim the same for IronRuby. This, coupled with the fact that ASP.NET and languages like C# are clearly Microsoft's main interest, lead me to believe that IronRuby is not living up to its full potential. Microsoft has the resources and brilliant minds (e.g. John Lam) to seriously reconsider its approach to this project, in order to really let it take off. Just my 2 cents, Antonio - -- http://antoniocangiano.com - Zen and the Art of Programming http://stacktrace.it - Aperiodico di resistenza informatica http://math-blog.com - Math Blog: Mathematics is wonderful! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgV8PIACgkQqCqsu0qUj9SOrgCgww8tFRi03AQG0nnj6iE2MCuo KboAn0hzVO97RQgJIALx07e1j4px1iOl =Y1aM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ironruby-core mailing list [email protected] http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
