So, as the new guy on the other (MSFT) side of the fence, I am interested in 
all of these suggestions and ideas. In addition, I have some 
questions/suggestions for you.

* Would mirroring our internal repo on a commit-by-commit basis help with the 
repository issues? Would it help with the ownership feelings?
* How can we be more transparent about what we are working on, and where we are 
heading? A blog? A weekly posting?
* Would mirroring the repo to other formats help? Would releasing alpha 
binaries be worthwhile?

I'm new, but I want to help build a community, and show that this is a real OSS 
project. So, I really appreciate the discource. I think that these meta 
discussions are worthwhile in helping define the community.

Jim Deville

-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Eichert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: 4/28/08 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Regarding IronRuby... How true it sounds from      
this blog



I can't say that the delay has stopped me from working on a contribution since 
I've just recently started investigating where I may be able to lend a hand.  
However, I can say that I'm much more reluctant to jump in and start working on 
something since I don't want to work on a implementing or fixing something that 
has already been addressed.

I think it would be great to have a more open environment where the community 
knows what the members of the IronRuby team are working on and what they're 
currently thinking about, as well as what things they aren't able to get to yet 
but are higher priority.  This would help the community understand what they 
should stay away from, as well as what would be a good place to contribute.  In 
order to foster a community around IronRuby I believe there needs to be 
something that can rally the community around a cause.  Right now, most of the 
people I've spoken to are in a wait and see mode with IronRuby.  It would be 
great if we could do something to get people in a "what can I do to contribute 
value to the project" mode.

This is coming from someone who has just recently "joined" the IronRuby 
community, so I may not be looking in the right places.

Cheers,
Steve

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, John Lam (IRONRUBY) <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
M. David Peterson:

> > It's far more difficult (maybe impossible) to run an OSS project well
> > if the community members can't update their working copies to exactly
> > what the core team sees day-to-day. This one is most likely an MS
> issue.
>
> It's absolutely 100% an internal MSFT issue.  Can it be fixed?

While meta-level discussions are interesting, they generally don't offer much 
in the way of concrete guidance. So let me ask this question to the larger 
community:

Has working on the SVN sources (with the attendant delays in propagating to / 
from our version of 'the truth') blocked you from working on a contribution?

Thanks,
-John
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