Charlie is really interested in having a .NET Duby backend; I started one in December but only got a simple helloworld app working. I'd like if someone else take it on, especially if they'll be committed to it, so let me know if you need any help getting started.
> -----Original Message----- > From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core- > boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Zac Brown > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:48 PM > To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] What's next? > > I believe the example for embedding the assemblies to create a .exe that > you're looking for is: http://github.com/rifraf/IronRubyEmbeddedApps > > I think my main interests would be 1.9 support and a .NET duby backend > which I might need to talk to Charlie about :). > > -Zac > > On 5/11/2010 8:24 PM, Jimmy Schementi wrote: > > Will, what you are describing is the preferred way of packaging Ruby > > code as an exe. Someone should write a sample that shows how to do > > this; I believe there already is one but I don't have the URL handy. > > > > David, the first part of your email sounded reasonable, but the 2nd > > part (about scope) came from left field. Please indicate why the > > recipe Tomas and Will explained make IronRuby any less than > > first-class (whatever that means =P). IronPython is also planning on > > doing this too, so we think it's the best "self-contained deployment" > > option, but I'd like to hear why it won't work for you. > > > > As far as the other discussed features go, let me draw a line in the > > sand for the next major release (let's call it vNext for argument's sake): > > > > 1.) It is a goal of IronRuby vNext to improve interop with .NETs type > > system, so we will most likely implement something like IronPython's > > "clrtype" feature, and provide a library which lets you emit real > > static types from Ruby code. You could even imagine taking the emitted > > IL and writing it to a DLL, which could be called directly from a > > static language, but that's lower priority. > > > > 2.) It is not a goal of IronRuby vNext to implement a static compiler > > for Ruby; as in we will not emit both similar types and method bodies > > as C#. IronRuby is a dynamic language, and any static compiler > > features should be part of a .NET backend for Duby (currently only a > > JVM backend exists). Pre-compilation is different; it involves > > emitting IL to a DLL that we would have emit at runtime, given every > > method were called. This would only help startup marginally, as we > > already have fast startup with the interpreter and NGEN-ing IronRuby's > > binaries, and most of the time spent is actually running code, not > > emitting it. Also, pre-compilation doesn't help us CLR type system > > interop, as it would not produce a CLI-compliant assembly; assemblies > > generated by pyc cannot be referenced by a C# app. > > > > As far as non-.NET <http://non-.NET> related features, we'll be > > targeting Ruby 1.9 support, and running Rails 3 and other libs will > > focus us on what features to implement first (so 1.8.7 compat might > > happen despite us wanting to move directly to 1.9). FFI is another > > possible feature, but only if there are crucial libs that use it, or > > if someone contributes it. > > > > Any other features people are curious about? Now is definitely the > > time to voice your opinions :) > > > > ~Jimmy > > > > On May 11, 2010, at 7:15 PM, "Will Green" <w...@hotgazpacho.org > > <mailto:w...@hotgazpacho.org>> wrote: > > > >> Why not create an executable assembly that embeds all the Ruby files > >> as resources in the assembly? Extract them at runtime (you could > >> probably just keep them in a memory stream), fire up a Ruby runtime > >> host & engine, feed it the Ruby file, and away you go. > >> > >> Or am I missing something that would make this infeasible? > >> > >> -- > >> Will Green > >> http://hotgazpacho.org/ > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:20 PM, David Escobar <davidesco...@ieee.org > >> <mailto:davidesco...@ieee.org>> wrote: > >> > >> Ok, that's certainly an option to look into. I guess what people > >> want is the ability to distribute applications and libraries in > >> .exe and .dll form, the same way we do with C# or VB. But perhaps > >> it's a question of scope - maybe IronRuby is not intended to be a > >> 1st class .NET language in the same way that C# or VB are, or > >> it's only intended to be a language for embedding in a static > >> language or for unit testing purposes? > >> > >> The other reason is that it provides some (small) level of code > >> obfuscation. I realize of course that the assemblies can be > >> reverse engineered, but most users won't bother to do that - > >> they'll just be interested in running the .exe. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Tomas Matousek > >> <tomas.matou...@microsoft.com > >> <mailto:tomas.matou...@microsoft.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Well, there is a pretty simple way how to package up .rb > >> files into an .exe file w/o precompiling anything. One option > >> is to build a self-extracting zip file or something like > >> that. That would solve the deployment issue. Improving > >> startup time via pre-compilation is much more work. > >> > >> Tomas > >> > >> *From:* ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org> > >> [mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org>] *On Behalf Of > >> *David Escobar > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:48 PM > >> > >> > >> *To:* ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Ironruby-core] What's next? > >> > >> Pre-compiling code would allow us to distribute our programs > >> in .exe and .dll form, rather than .rb files. IronPython > >> allows this with its pyc.py script. And if that means faster > >> startup times and using Ruby code statically from C#, then > >> all the better. > >> > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Tomas Matousek > >> <tomas.matou...@microsoft.com > >> <mailto:tomas.matou...@microsoft.com>> wrote: > >> > >> What would you like to achieve by pre-compiling code? Faster > >> startup time? Packaging your code in a dll instead of a bunch > >> of .rb files? Using Ruby code statically from C#? > >> > >> Tomas > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org> > >> [mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org>] On Behalf Of > >> Martin Smith > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:14 AM > >> To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > >> <mailto:ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> Subject: [Ironruby-core] What's next? > >> > >> Hey Guys, > >> > >> Now that IronRuby 1.0 has shipped (congrats!!), what's next > >> on the docket? :) I'm not trying to pressure you guys! Just > >> excited about the future. > >> The feature i'd love to see most would be pre-compilation... > >> > >> Thanks for such a great product, > >> Martin > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ironruby-core mailing list > >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org <mailto:Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ironruby-core mailing list > >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org <mailto:Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ironruby-core mailing list > >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org <mailto:Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ironruby-core mailing list > >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org <mailto:Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org> > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ironruby-core mailing list > > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core _______________________________________________ Ironruby-core mailing list Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
