Oh, and RavenDB, which I have successfully deployed as an Azure worker role.
Mark Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jul 2010, at 23:27, Orion Edwards <orion.edwa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 29/07/2010, at 4:40 PM, Nathan Stults wrote: > >> Yeah, but who wants to *deploy* Ruby code on Windows? > > Personally, I wouldn't run a public facing internet site on windows, but > that's only because I spent 2 years developing rails apps on FreeBSD for > another company and picked up a lot of skills from it. Otherwise, I'd run a > windows server. I also know a lot of people who run windows servers. From > what I've seen the penetration of linux servers inside small-to-medium > companies here is approaching 0%. > IronRuby (particularly if it ever gets good userfriendly IIS integration) > means I can develop a rails app and get the local microsoft sysadmin to > deploy it in a couple of clicks. > >> Develop, sure…but then performance doesn’t matter. > > Really? I become rather unhappy if I'm having to dev something where the > performance sucks (compiling C++ apps really really gets my goat). This is > the primary reason why I continually wish they'd improve the IronRuby startup > perf. **scalability** doesn't matter for development, but scalability and > performance are two different things, and the benchmark certainly doesn't > measure scalability > >> If IronRuby is aiming only to be a windows centric technology, I can’t >> imagine what future it really has in store for it, that is, standing alone >> on its own two feet as a Ruby implementation. Integrated into .NET software >> is a different story irrelevant to the benchmarks being discussed, but I >> don’t think the benchmarks are misleading as far as the Ruby community at >> large is concerned, because for that group, I don’t imagine Windows is a >> viable deployment target ( why would it be?) > > Umm... Why wouldn't it be? Windows server pricing is actually not too bad, so > long as you stay away from the clusterf*** that is SQL server (it's great > tech but the licensing and pricing are crazy). Again, I've seen plenty of > windows servers run by company sysadmins and I'd love to be able to deploy > some rails apps onto them (MRI is worse than terrible for deploying to IIS, > so again, IronRuby could stand to do really well). > > You could argue that the "target audience" for that article was 23 year olds > creating the next FaceTube because it was posted to Hacker News, however > Antonio Cangiano is an Evangelist for IBM. I wouldn't equate "IBM" with > internet startups either... It seemed like the target audience was simply > "people who are interested in ruby performance".... > >> so benchmarking on Linux is probably the most realistic kind of benchmarking >> you can do when comparing ruby interpreters for that particular audience. I >> suppose that is one of the things that makes the IronRuby project an enigma >> to me – in my mind Ruby is a finger pointing to Linux, so it seems an odd >> one for Microsoft to extend. > > I agree with your point of view, however I draw the opposite conclusion. > Looking at MRI and JRuby, Linux (or some BSD/solaris/etc) really is the go-to > platform if you want to develop a ruby application. The performance of MRI in > particular is clearly a lot better on *nix. This is then coupled with the > fact that Rails is an outstanding platform for getting web apps up and > running, and web apps are pretty hot these days. > > From that point of view, it makes perfect sense for Microsoft to build > IronRuby as a top notch Ruby implementation for windows. If they pull this > off, and couple it with some other windows integration type stuff (an IIS > admin plugin to administer rails sites would be awesome) then in theory two > things can happen: > > 1) People that were familiar with windows but are considering switching away > because of a ruby/rails app might stay on windows (and then, pay microsoft > for windows server and maybe even SQL server eventually) > > 2) If they do a REALLY good job, people running rails apps on linux might > switch to windows! > > I'd love to see #2 happen, but unfortunately it's a long way off. The > IronRuby team seems to be really awesome, but there's only like 3 of you, > right? :-( > > > >> >> From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org >> [mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Orion Edwards >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:59 PM >> To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Will the performance catch up be next milestone? >> >> It's probably not intentional but his benchmark graphs are misleading. >> >> Because Mono is not nearly as fast or as mature as Microsoft's .NET, the >> performance of IronRuby on mono is much worse. Unfortunately all his graphs >> show Mono performance only, which makes IronRuby appear very slow. >> >> If you look at the numbers directly (there is a table further down comparing >> IronRuby on mono vs IronRuby on .net), IronRuby is much much faster. It >> appears to me that IronRuby on windows (.NET) is faster than MRI 1.9.2 >> ("regular" ruby) on windows! >> >> It's still not as fast as MRI 1.9.2 on linux, but it's not that far behind >> either. >> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Ray Linn <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote: >> IBM Engineer completed a performance benchmark for rubys, seems ir does >> not well done in the performance. >> >> >> http://programmingzen.com/2010/07/19/the-great-ruby-shootout-july-2010/ >> -- >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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