wa'alaikum salam wr wb,
silahkan dibaca baik2 itu adalah bantahan pernyataan
Modjo:
> poligami sesungguhnya adalah komplemen dari
prosmicious act, bukan
> substitute. Mereka yang berpoligami biasanya juga
adalah tukang
> berzinah. Sehingga tidak heran bila poligami jadi
salah satu alasan
> lebi tingginya penyebaran HIV/AIDS.

Allah sudah ada. Lihat link yang di bawah.
Selain itu fakta bahwa di AS poligami dilarang
sementara di negara2 Islam
dibolehkan. Angka perzinahan lebih tinggi di AS. Di
Indonesia meski datanya
belum ada, tapi dari mengamati perilaku orang2 di
sekitar kita tidak
setinggi itu angkanya. Contohnya untuk 9 wanita yang
kita kenal
alhamdulillah belum tentu ada 1 yang diperkosa.

Cuma memang perlu ada penelitian lebih lanjut tentang
perzinahan baik di
negara2 non Muslim dan negara2 Islam.
Kemudian perlu juga diperhatikan korelasi berbagai
faktor misalnya cara
berpakaian, pornografi, monogami, poligami, dsb.

Yang saya tentang adalah pendapat Mojo yang mengatakan
bahwa orang yang
poligami umumnya juga berzinah karena poligami adalah
komplemen (pelengkap)
dari perzinahan. Inikan menghina para ulama dan Nabi.
Oleh karena itu saya
mematahkan pernyataannya dengan membandingkan AS yang
mengharamkan poligami
tapi perzinahannya justru tinggi.

Ada pun faktanya, di negara yang memaksakan
penduduknya monogami seperti di AS, justru perzinahan
dan pelacuran merajalela. Sementara di negara2 Islam
(terutama yang menerapkan syariah Islam) perzinahan
jarang terjadi, bahkan tempat pelacuran dilarang.

Data dari AS di bawah menunjukkan bahwa 1 dari 3
wanita diperkosa sebelum berumur 18 tahun. Jika
perkosaan begitu tinggi, apalagi perzinahan. Ini
adalah fakta. Bukan studi main2.

50-60% orang Amerika mengaku berzinah (USA Today).
Yang tidak mengaku mungkin lebih banyak lagi.

655 juta video porno disewa di AS (belum yang beli).
45 juta warga AS mengidap penyakit kelamin.

Itulah bukti bahwa monogami yang dipaksakan akhirnya
menimbulkan perzinahan dan pelacuran. Contohnya jika
Yahya Zaini menikahi Maria Eva, bisa jadi dia tidak
jadi berzina. Itulah akibat monogami yang dipaksakan

http://www.christiananswers.net/eden/news-001.html
<http://www.christiananswers.net/eden/news-001.html> 
Lying - Polls indicate that 91% of people in the U.S.
lie regularly (source: , by James Patterson and Peter
Kim).

Greed - Statistics now show that Americans visit
casinos more often than they attend professional
sporting events (source: Focus on the Family).

Pornography - 665-million pornographic videos were
rented in 1996 (source: USA Today, 9-5-97). The number
of pornography outlets now dwarfs the number of
McDonald's restaurants in the USA.

Adultery - A USA Today report says that up to 50-60%
of Americans admit to committing adultery. We have the
highest divorce rate in the world (source: Save
America).

Fornication - 45 million Americans are infected with
the virus that causes genital herpes (source: American
Social Health Association).

Rape - one rape every 46 seconds in America and one
out of three girls are sexually molested before the
age of 18 (source: National Center for Victims of
Crime).

Murder - As terrible as the loss of life was at the
World Trade Center, keep in mind that 200-thousand
people were murdered during the last decade in the
U.S. (source: Council on Crime in America).

--- IPD Wiska Susetio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Wa'alaikum salam warohmatullaahi wabarokaatuh.
> 
> Kalau menurut saya argumen tersebut secara logika
> sangat berdasar.
> 
> Secara logika tidak ada hubungan LANGSUNG antara
> menghindari berzina dengan
> poligami. Poligami itu bukan untuk menghindari
> berzina. Dua-duanya adalah fakta
> yang terpisah, hubungannya tidak langsung. Jadi
> kalaupun dengan poligami hasrat
> seksual jadi tersalurkan sehingga terhindar dari
> zina, itu hanya efek tak
> langsung, BUKAN TUJUAN.
> 
> Apakah bisa dijamin dengan berpoligami perzinahan
> jadi punah ?
> 
> Karena zina itu berawal dari hawa nafsu, dan yang
> namanya nafsu itu tak
> habis-habis. Katakanlah seorang dengan hasrat
> seksual yang begitu tinggi, 4
> orang istri juga belum tentu cukup.
> 
> Adapun poligami itu adalah bersumber dari syari'at,
> sedangkan syari'at itu
> adalah jalan ibadah. Jadi tujuan berpoligami itu
> mesti ibadah.
> 
> Jadi dilihat dari sumber atau asalnya saja, poligami
> dan perzinahan itu berbeda,
> tidak berhubungan.
> 
> Wallaahu 'alam,
> 
> = Wizh =
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please respond to Milis is-lam
> <[email protected]>
> 
> To:   is-lam <[email protected]>
> cc:    (bcc: IPD Wiska Susetio/QA/domino_srv)
> Subject:  [is-lam] Studi Tak Berdasar - Re: Studi
> Poligami
> 
> 
> Assalamu'alaikum wr wb,
> 
> Berikut pernyataan yang tidak berdasar tentang
> poligami.
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "M Ikhsan Modjo"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Penjelasannya sederhana, poligami adalah
> komplemen,
> bukan substitute
> > dari prosmicious act. Jadi argumen sebagai pro
> poligamiers bahwa
> > poligami lebih baik dari zinah etc, adalah argumen
> yang salah kaprah.
> merokok. Begitu juga
> > berbagai temuan yang ada (lihat di bawah) juga
> menunjukan bahwa
> > poligami sesungguhnya adalah komplemen dari
> prosmicious act, bukan
> > substitute. Mereka yang berpoligami biasanya juga
> adalah tukang
> > berzinah. Sehingga tidak heran bila poligami jadi
> salah satu alasan
> > lebi tingginya penyebaran HIV/AIDS.
> 
> Pernyataan di atas tidak berdasar.
> Secara logika, 2 pria dengan gairah seksual yang
> sama
> jika  yang satu dipaksa monogami, dia bisa berzina
> ketika istrinya seminggu setiap bulan berhalangan
> atau
> 40 hari selama melahirkan.
> 
> Sementara yang poligami, jika dia bosan dengan 1
> istri, maka ada istri yang lain sebagai alternatif.
> 
> Sebagai contoh, Aa Gym jatuh hati dengan teh Rini,
> jika dilarang poligami, jika tidak kuat imannya
> (misalnya bukan orang seperti Aa) bisa saja dia
> akhirnya selingkuh. Tapi kalau menikah kan tidak
> zina.
> 
> Ada pun faktanya, di negara yang memaksakan
> penduduknya monogami seperti di AS, justru
> perzinahan
> dan pelacuran merajalela. Sementara di negara2 Islam
> (terutama yang menerapkan syariah Islam) perzinahan
> jarang terjadi, bahkan tempat pelacuran dilarang.
> 
> Data dari AS di bawah menunjukkan bahwa 1 dari 3
> wanita diperkosa sebelum berumur 18 tahun. Jika
> perkosaan begitu tinggi, apalagi perzinahan. Ini
> adalah fakta. Bukan studi main2.
> 
> 50-60% orang Amerika mengaku berzinah (USA Today).
> Yang tidak mengaku mungkin lebih banyak lagi.
> 
> 655 juta video porno disewa di AS (belum yang beli).
> 45 juta warga AS mengidap penyakit kelamin.
> 
> Itulah bukti bahwa monogami yang dipaksakan akhirnya
> menimbulkan perzinahan dan pelacuran. Contohnya jika
> Yahya Zaini menikahi Maria Eva, bisa jadi dia tidak
> jadi berzina. Itulah akibat monogami yang dipaksakan
> 
> http://www.christiananswers.net/eden/news-001.html
> Lying - Polls indicate that 91% of people in the
> U.S.
> lie regularly (source: , by James Patterson and
> Peter
> Kim).
> 
> Greed - Statistics now show that Americans visit
> casinos more often than they attend professional
> sporting events (source: Focus on the Family).
> 
> Pornography - 665-million pornographic videos were
> rented in 1996 (source: USA Today, 9-5-97). The
> number
> of pornography outlets now dwarfs the number of
> McDonald's restaurants in the USA.
> 
> Adultery - A USA Today report says that up to 50-60%
> of Americans admit to committing adultery. We have
> the
> highest divorce rate in the world (source: Save
> America).
> 
> Fornication - 45 million Americans are infected with
> the virus that causes genital herpes (source:
> American
> Social Health Association).
> 
> Rape - one rape every 46 seconds in America and one
> out of three girls are sexually molested before the
> age of 18 (source: National Center for Victims of
> Crime).
> 
> Murder - As terrible as the loss of life was at the
> World Trade Center, keep in mind that 200-thousand
> people were murdered during the last decade in the
> U.S. (source: Council on Crime in America).
> 
> 2. Al Baqarah
> 8. Di antara manusia ada yang mengatakan: "Kami
> beriman kepada Allah dan Hari kemudian[22]," pada
> hal
> mereka itu sesungguhnya bukan orang-orang yang
> beriman.
> 9. Mereka hendak menipu Allah dan orang-orang yang
> beriman, padahal mereka hanya menipu dirinya sendiri
> sedang mereka tidak sadar.
> 
> > Needless to say, saya tidak mengatakan para Kyai
> dan
> Aa Gym tukang berzinah.....
> 
> Itulah buktinya. Jarang ulama yang poligami
> berzinah.
> Banyak teman saya yang monogami, kenyataannya suka
> berzinah.
> > Salam,
> >
> >
> > ------------------
> >
> > Nyindo, M. (2005). "Complementary factors
> contributing to the rapid
> > spread of HIV-I
> > in sub-Saharan Africa: a review." East African
> Medical Journal 82(1): 40-6.
> > OBJECTIVE: To examine and establish complementary
> factors that contribute
> > to the alarmingly high prevalence of HIV-1 in
> sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) in
> > order to create awareness and suggest possible
> measures to avert the spread
> > of the pandemic. DATA SOURCES: Review of
> literature
> via Medline, the
> > Internet, articles in refereed journals, and
> un-refereed features from the East
> > Africa media houses and personal communications.
> DATA SELECTION: Most
> > published data from 1981 to September 2004 found
> to
> have revealed an
> > impact on the spread of HIV-1 in SSA were included
> in the review. Therefore,
> > all selected articles were read and critically
> evaluated. Where possible the
> > number of citations articles which had been
> received
> were sought to
> > established the degree of impact. DATA EXTRACTION:
> Abstracts of all
> > articles identified were accessed, read and
> analysed
> to determined possible
> > relevance to the spread of HIV-1. When relevance
> was
> established from the
> > abstract the entire paper was read and important
> points were included in the
> > review. DATA SYNTHESIS: A matrix was drawn to
> include all subtitles ( e.g.
> > polygamy, circumcision, poverty, etc). Below each
> subtitle all published works
> > were included and prioritised. Published works
> that
> were found to have impact
> > were included in the review. Finally a percent
> composite picture of all factors
> > was drawn in an attempt to prioritise the factors,
> not withstanding
> > the fact that
> > most factors are interrelated and complementary.
> CONCLUSIONS: There are
> > many reasons why the spread of HIV-1 in SSA has
> not
> been declining over
> > the years. Main risk factors for HIV-1 infection
> and
> AIDS disease in SSA were
> > found to include poverty, famine, low status of
> women in society, corruption,
> > naive risk taking perception, resistance to sexual
> behaviour change, high
> > prevalence of sexually transmitted infections
> (STI),
> internal conflicts and
> > refugee status, antiquated beliefs, lack of
> recreational facilities,
> > ignorance of
> > individual's HIV status, child and adult
> prostitution, uncertainty of safety of
> > blood intended for transfusion, widow inheritance,
> circumcision, illiteracy and
> > female genital cutting and polygamy. It is
> suggested
> that control programmes
> > both local and donor-driven seeking to mitigate
> the
> spread of HIV-1 in SSA
> > should take into account the apparent multiplicity
> of sub-Saharan African
> > cultures and beliefs, some of which augment the
> spread of HIV-1.
> > D
> > ada-Adegbola, H. O. (2004). "Socio-cultural
> factors
> affecting the spread of
> > HIV/AIDS in Africa: a case study." African Journal
> of Medicine &
> > Medical Sciences
> > 33(2): 179-82.
> > There is a disproportionate share of AIDS cases
> over
> the years in Africa. This
> > has occurred in racial and ethnic minority
> populations, a finding likely related
> > to social, economic and cultural factors. Certain
> socio-cultural and religious
> > practices such as polygamy and giving a daughter
> away in marriage without
> > considering the social life of the man are likely
> contributory factors to the
> > higher prevalence of HIV/AIDS in women in this
> part
> of the world . This is
> > illustrated with a case of Mr. M. S. who married
> two
> wives within four months
> > interval, having lived a promiscuous life before
> marriage. One of the wives
> > was a virgin at the time of marriage. Neither of
> wives had any symptoms
> > suggestive of STD or HIV before marriage, however,
> the three of them tested
> > positive to HIV-1 following a visit to the special
> treatment clinic.
> > He had genital
> > herpes and his two wives also had vulvovaginal
> candidiasis, genital herpes
> > and condyloma accuminata (genital warts). The
> husband would not want his
> > HIV status declared to the wives. There is
> therefore
> a need to enact law on
> > pre-marriage HIV screening for intending couples.
> Couple Pre-and post-test
> > counseling must be encouraged and promoted. In
> addition, women should be
> > empowered to negotiate safer sex.
> >
> >
> > Receveur, M. C., X. Coulaud, et al. (2003).
> "Prevalence du VIH a
> > Mayotte." Bulletin
> > de la Societe de Pathologie Exotique 96(3):
> 238-40.
> > Mayotte is a little French island, located in the
> Indian ocean, between
> > Madagascar and Mozambic. Officially, the
> population
> goes up to 150,000
> > inhabitants, but in fact, it probably comes up to
> about 200,000 people,
> > because of a very numerous illegal immigration,
> especially coming from
> > Anjouan, the nearest Comorian island. Up to now
> there are no data about HIV
> > in Mayotte. There is only one adult medical unit
> (except intensive care). All
> > patients detected as seropositive for HIV are sent
> for treatment in this unit.
> > The only case of systematically proposed HIV
> serology is pregnancy, and this
> > since 1994. 70% to 80% of women accept it. There
> are
> annually 6000
> > deliveries in Mayotte. When a seropositivity is
> detected, screening is
> > systematically proposed to other members of the
> family. Epidemiology does
> > not seem to worsen, even if detection is
> increasing:
> 8675 tests done in 1998,
> > 9142 in 1999, 12,085 in 2000. All cases of
> seropositivity attended to at
> > present time in our unit have been registered and
> studied, apart from patients
> > who died before this study, and those who did not
> consult for more than two
> > years. There were 8 HIV positive people who died
> since 1990 in Mayotte,
> > most of them in 1991, 1992. There was no death in
> the last years, nor
> > sanitary evacuation, except one. 50 people are
> registered: 20 males, 30
> > females. Average age is 34. 39 Comorian people, 10
> metropolitans, and one
> > from another origin. Contamination was
> heterosexual
> in 43 cases, intravenous
> > drug user in 1 case, homosexual in 2 cases,
> professional in 1 case, unknown
> > in 3 cases. There are 4 double contamination Ag
> Hbs/HIV, and 2 HCV/HIV. 39
> > subjects are at A stage, 5 B, 6 C. The beginning
> of
> the epidemic in Mayotte
> > took place probably around 1990, among militaries
> and prostitutes. Now,
> > transmission keeps going on, in most cases,
> heterosexual, as it occurs in the
> > nearby Africa. Polygamy, official or officious,
> has
> a leading role. Females who
> > were detected during pregnancy have obtained
> zidovudine, or have been able
> > to pursue previous therapy. Medical care and
> therapy
> are free in Mayotte, but
> > sometimes there are delays in supplying medicines
> or
> in returning results.
> > Epidemic has not increased up to now; even though
> screening has. There are
> > very few pediatric cases: only 4 cases were
> notified
> in Mayotte until now: one
> > who died very soon, one who has gone to live in
> Reunion island, and two who
> > are still in Mayotte: one is 12 years old, and
> another one 5 years old.
> >
> > Bambra, C. S. (1999). "Current status of
> reproductive behaviour in
> > Africa." Human
> > Reproduction Update 5(1): 1-20.
> > The current annual population growth rate of 3.2%
> in
> Africa will double the
> > population by the year 2025. The majority of this
> population is below 15 years
> > of age, and Africa concurrently also has the
> highest
> incidence of infertility in
> > the world. Sexual behaviour, which has been poorly
> studied in Africa, has a
> > direct impact on reproductive health [including
> fertility, infertility
> > and sexually
> > transmitted diseases (STDs)]. The multiple
> cultures
> and religions which
> > characterize the African continent also affect
> reproductive health. Factors that
> > have a significant effect on reproductive health
> in
> Africa include greater
> > prevalence of extramarital/commercial sexual
> activity, polygamy, lower
> > prevalence of contraceptives, reliance on
> traditional practices, high incidence
> > of STDs and teenage pregnancies. High risk
> reproductive behaviours are
> > predominantly displayed by adolescents, and the
> prevalence of STDs,
> > including HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), is
> very high in this group.
> > Pregnancy-related complications are the major
> cause
> of health-related
> > problems in 15-19 year old girls. Maternal
> mortality
> rates in most countries
> > remain high. Literacy rates affect these
> behaviours.
> It is apparent that
> > changing the sexual behaviour of adolescents is
> one
> way of reversing the
> > adverse trends, such as STD transmission, unwanted
> pregnancy and poor
> > general reproductive health.
> >
> > --
> > http://mimodjo.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
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