Mas Wong cukup cerdas dalam berargumentasi dgn Bule tsb. Memang para bule itu selain pelanggar HAM justru tidak sadar mereka pelanggar HAM. Parahnya lagi mereka menganggap yg lain seperti Islam melanggar HAM dan mencoba mengajari tentang HAM.
Ini ada satu tulisan berbahasa Inggris yang mudah2an bisa menyadarkan para bule. Ada juga presentasinya dan foto2 buktinya: http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/is-islam-the-most-violent-religion-in-the-world/ Is Islam the Most Violent Religion in the World? Hatred Against Islam Pope Benedict XVI quoted Emperor Manuel II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.“* Samuel P Huntington: Islam is Number 1 Enemy Since Pre-Crusades until now many prominent Christians often describe Islam as evil and terrorist. Islam is their enemy that should be destroyed. *Source: BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5346480.stm pizzaroSpreading Christianity by Sword Colonialism and Imperialism: From 15th – 20th Centuries Spain, Portuguese, British Kingdom, Dutch, and France invading Africa, Asia, and America for Gold, GOD, and Glory. Queen Isabella support exploration primarily to spread Christianity (MS Encarta, Spanish Empire). Livonian Order joined Teutonic Knights in forcing Slavs to convert to Christianity (MS Encarta, Military Religious Orders) Spreading Christianity with sword. Every warship has priests on it. “Explorers” such as Pizzaro and Cortez slaughtered many native people. Others make native people as slaves including the Afro-American. Hundreds of million people killed, enslaved, and wounded in Africa, Asia, Australia, and America Inquisition inquisitionEuropean countries spread their religious beliefs and eliminate other religions. Roman Catholic countries, particularly Spain, set out to convert non-Christian native peoples. Protestant countries also used religion as a motive for expansion. Beginning in the 19th century, Britain’s missionary movements served as a significant reason for that country’s colonial efforts Microsoft Encarta, Colonialism and Colonies Torture was used frequently during the Inquisition to obtain confessions of heresy MS Encarta, Inquisition Rob Land and Build Countries British Colonists robbed Aboriginal land and slaughtered them Microsoft Encarta, Aboriginal Australians The Indians slaughtered and become minority in US and Canada killingaboriginesBarbara Miller: ‘Declaring Australia Terra Nullius , uninhabited, and killing off any Aboriginal resistance to land seizure with superior weaponry, diseases, poisoned water-holes and flour laced with arsenic, the British settlers set up institutions and governments which have perpetrated their violent domination …‘* US, Canada, and Australia are countries of successful invasion http://www.sydneyline.com/Terra%20Nullius%20uses.htm “Civilization” Antonio’s Song, Michael Frank: The blankets they give the Indians only make them die The Whites give contaminated blankets to Indians to kill them banishingtheindians “The Trail of Tears”, Robert Lindneux, depicts the forced migration of Native Americans from the eastern US to the Indian Territory in Oklahoma during the 1830s and early 1840s. Among those peoples forced to make the journey on foot were the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, and Chickasaw. Many died on the long, hard journey Microsoft Encarta, Native Americans of North America “Civilization” #2 woundedkneecreekmassacre U.S. Cavalry killed hundreds of Sioux men, women, and children who had fled to a camp along Wounded Knee Creek. Sand Creek Massacre 1864, Colonel John M. Chivington and his soldiers killed 200 Cheyenne and Arapaho people, most of whom were still sleeping Microsoft Encarta, Native Americans of North America Slavery slavery More than 10 million Africans forcibly transported to America for 200 years. For 1 captive there are 10 people died defending their family. Human cargo packed tightly that it was impossible to move Portuguese monopoly Slave Trade followed by British, Holland, France, Denmark, and the American colonies joined in transporting slaves from Africa to the New World. Microsoft Encarta, Slavery Who Start World War I? World War I: The First Bloody World War (1914-1918) +10 Million Soldiers died +20 Million Soldiers wounded Who start the war? France, Russia, Britain against Germany and Austro-Hungary.. Mostly Christians. Not Muslim! Microsoft Encarta, World War I Who Start World War II? atombombinhiroshima World War II: The Bloodiest War (1939-1945) 55 Million people died Who start the war? France, Russia, Britain against Germany, Italy, and Japan. Mostly Christians. Not Muslim! Microsoft Encarta, World War II World War II Aftermath 55 Million people died by the war waged by France, Russia, Britain, US against Germany, Italy, and Japan. Do you still think Islam is the most violent religion in the world? atombombinjapan Who Start Crusades War? Crusades War (1096-1291) Millions people died Who start the war? siegeofjerusalemWestern European Christians by Pope Urban II’s Order! Not Muslim! Microsoft Encarta, Crusades The Christians always slaughter many Muslims when they had victories (Kingdom of Heaven Movie). War by the Christians Not in the name of God? Siege of Jerusalem The western European Christian armies of the First Crusade surrounded the city of Jerusalem in June 1099. In mid-July, after a long siege, the Crusaders took the city by storm and massacred many of its inhabitants. Microsoft Encarta, Crusades Bible Verses on War 1 Samuel 15 1 Then Samuel said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD. 2 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 3 ‘Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” New American Standard Bible Hosea 13:16 “they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up.” Exodus 32:27 “Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor.” I Samuel 6:19 ” . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.” New American Standard Bible TemplarsThe Templars, Hospitalers, Teutonic Knights are Military Religious Orders MS Encarta, Military Religious Orders The Misquoted Quran Verses 1 “Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and, then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah)” [Quran 8:56] Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged” [Quran 8:60] “And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He is the Hearer, the Knower” [Quran 8:61] The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution The Misquoted Quran Verses 2 “Those who disbelieve and turn (men) from the way of Allah, He rendereth their actions vain” [Quran 47:1] “Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance).. And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain” [Quran 47:4] The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution The Misquoted Quran Verses 3 “They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,” [Quran 4:89] “Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them” [Quran 4:90] The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution The Misquoted Quran Verses 4 “And remember, when ye were few and reckoned feeble in the land and were in fear lest men should extirpate you…” [Quran 8:26] And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters” [Quran 8:30] Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning)” [Quran 8:38] “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do” [Quran 8:39] Just read the verses related before and after to understand the context. The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution Islam the Peaceful Religion “There is no compulsion in religion…” [Quran 2:256] “…So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty” [Quran 9:7] “…So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them” [Quran 4:90] “And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He is the Hearer, the Knower” [Quran 8:61] “There is no good in much of their secret conferences save (in) him who enjoineth alms giving and kindness and peace making among the people. Whoso doeth that, seeking the good pleasure of Allah, We shall bestow on him a vast reward” [Quran 4:114] The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution Defensive War Only muslimskilledbyisraelsoldiers “Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors” [Quran 2:190] “And those who, when great wrong is done to them, defend themselves, The guerdon of an ill deed is an ill the like thereof. But whosoever pardoneth and amendeth, his wage is the affair of Allah. Lo! He loveth not wrong doers And whoso defendeth himself after he hath suffered wrong for such, there is no way (of blame) against them” [Quran 42:39-41] The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution The First 3 Big wars: Badr War, Uhud War, and Khandaq War happened near Madina (Muslim Capital) when the Infidel of Mecca attacked the Muslims. After the 3 attacks, The Muslims conquered Mecca with almost no bloodshed except for a few war criminals The war between Muslims against Roman and Persian Empire also started by the Roman in Mu’tah War Muhammad Durra’s father helplessly try to protect his son from Israel soldiers Islam Gives Freedom Islam freed the people from Byzantines and Sassanids occupation and heavy taxes. “During the first years of the Umayyad caliphate the jizyah was significantly less than the heavy taxes that had been exacted by the Byzantines and the Sassanids. Therefore, it probably did not seem particularly onerous to most of the Caliph’s subjects. In fact, compared with conditions under the Byzantines and Sassanids, the period of the Arab Umayyad dynasty (661-751) was one of extraordinary religious and cultural tolerance for the non-Muslim subject populations MS Encarta, Internationalization of Islam, By Richard Foltz Muslims as War Victims Million Muslims killed by Christians during Crusades war Million Muslims killed during 15th-20th centuries colonialism Thousands Muslims slaughtered and raped in Bosnia Herzegovina muslimlittlegirlkilledbyisraelsoldiers Million Muslims killed in invasion in Afghanistan and Iraq by US and its Allies. Muslims slaughtered and treated as second class citizen by Israel Many Muslim women and children in Palestine killed by Israel. It is a war against terrorists, they said…. Epilogue Peace is all we want! I have seen many articles or prominent figures saying bad things about Islam such as Islam is terrorist, Islam is killer, Islam is the most violent religion in the world, etc. As a result, many Muslims become victims from the Crusades era until US invasion in Afghanistan and Iraq. Muslims are terrorists that should be killed! That is what the warmonger had in mind. By this presentation I hope other people could see that violent happens everywhere in every religion. Introspection is all we need. Reference: • MS Encarta • The Noble Qur’an, Islamasoft Solution • New American Standard Bible • BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5346480.stm • http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com === Paket Umrah 2009 Mulai US$ 1.1490 ONH Plus (Haji Khusus) Mulai US$ 5.900 Informasi selengkapnya ada di: http://www.media-islam.or.id Ingin belajar Islam? Kirim email ke: [email protected] --- Pada Sel, 24/2/09, AFR <[email protected]> menulis: > Dari: AFR <[email protected]> > Topik: Re: [is-lam] Bls: Deterring Democracy Was RE: Ummat Islam Tidak > Radikal - Bls: [ppiindia] Diskusi: Radikalisasi di Sekolah Negeri > Kepada: [email protected] > Tanggal: Selasa, 24 Februari, 2009, 8:49 PM > ya, > mas Wong cerdas ngomentari mereka. dan tak perlu minta > maaf > karena tak satu tetes darah saya keturunan kapitalis > > > > salam, > Fahru > > > From: Harry > Sufehmi <[email protected]> > To: > [email protected] > Sent: > Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:01:19 AM > Subject: Re: > [is-lam] Bls: Deterring Democracy Was RE: Ummat Islam Tidak > Radikal - Bls: [ppiindia] Diskusi: Radikalisasi di Sekolah > Negeri > > > Maaf bagi yang tidak berkenan.. > > Lho kok minta maaf :D ini adalah salah satu > retort / balasan > komentar yang paling cerdas dan menggelikan yang pernah > saya baca ! > > Terimakasih sudah berbagi disini. > > > Salam, HS > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Wong Lim Pok <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dalam satu Seminar tentang Populasi Penduduk di West > Coast USA, > salah satu > > pemateri dari Belanda menggambarkan tentang penyebaran > populasi penduduk dan > > cara mengontrolnya. Disebutkan juga negara-negara yang > sistemnya gagal > > mengontrol populasi penduduk yaitu Indonesia, China, > dan India. Saya yang > > dari Indonesia langsung naik daun .. eh naik darah .... > kuping... jadi merah. > > > > > > Saya langsung menanggapi bahwa ketiga negara yang > dimisalkan oleh sibule > > tersebut adalah negara yang sudah benar cara > mengontrol penduduknya dan yang > > salah sistem adalah negara Caucasian di Eropah. > Buktinya Indonesia, China > > dan India tidak pernah mengambil negara lain untuk > menyebarkan populasi > > penduduknya. Tapi cara negara eropah mengontrol > penduduknya adalah dengan > > cara hijrah ke negara lain, bunuh penduduknya dan > menetap di situ. Contohnya > > negara US ini di mana orang Indian dimusnahkan > kemudian tanahnya dirampas. > > Contoh: Pada awal orang > Eropah datang di Idaho sendiri 800 suku Indian, > > sekarang ini hanya tinggal satu suku dan itu pun > tinggal di kawasan > > reservasi. Seluruh benua Amerika dirampas, Australia, > New Zealand, Canada > > dan Africa Selatan. Nah, apa jadinya kalau seluruh > bule di Amerika, Canada, > > Australia, dan New Zealand disuruh pulang ke Eropah, > terpaksa tidur berdiri.. > > > > Si Bule itu pun merah mukanya. Saya tambah lagi, > untung Indonesia punya dua > > musim, yaitu hujan dan kering. Coba kalau Indonesia > dan Malaysia punya 4 > > musim seperti eropah, sampai sekarang kita masih > dijajah seperti Amerika dan > > Canada. South Africa has four season like Europe, and > until the end of > > apartheid era the "Bule" under Botha still > "bermastautin" there. > > > > Yang lebih menyedihkan lagi, orang Amerika buat film > koboy dan dengan > > bangganya ditunjukkan bagaimana membantai orang > Indian, baik dengan peluru > > mau > pun dengan virus kolera dengan cara membagi selimut tebal > yang ditebari > > virus kolera di musim dingin. Suku-suku yang tersisa > dibarter kulit dengan > > senapang dan bir, sehingga ketika mabuk suku-suku > tersebut dengan lebih > > cepat dan mudah memusnahkan bangsanya sendiri.. > Sekarang si Bule yang menang > > mengkampanyekan tentang HAM. > > > > Maaf bagi yang tidak berkenan.. > > > > Salam, > > > > Wong > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of A Nizami > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:44 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [is-lam] Bls: Deterring Democracy Was RE: > Ummat Islam Tidak Radikal > > - Bls: [ppiindia] Diskusi: Radikalisasi di Sekolah > Negeri > > > > > > Yah begitulah mas Wong. > > > > Sebenarnya orang-orang Barat itulah yang paling > barbar. Mereka paling banyak > > membantai manusia seperti pada Perang Dunia II (54 > juta jiwa tewas), Perang > > Dunia I (17 juta jiwa), Masa penjajahan abad 15-20 di > Asia (termasuk > > Indonesia dijajah Belanda), Afrika, Australia, > Amerika, dsb, Perang Salib, > > dsb. Lihat: > > http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/is-islam-the-most-violent-re > > ligion-in-the-world/ > > > > Toh mereka tidak sadar. Mereka justru menganggap Islam > paling biadab, > > teroris, babi, dsb. Jadi lucu > jika mereka mendanai JIL untuk mengajarkan > > toleransi agama yang mereka sendiri tidak punya. > > > > Ini sering saya jumpai ketika berdiskusi dgn mereka di > soc.culture.usa, dsb: > > > > http://groups.google.co.id/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/79c8fa > > 75515b17b5?hl=id# > > > > > > ÇDoügßT > > Newsgroup: soc.culture.usa, soc.culture..british, > soc.culture.canada > > Dari: "ÇDoügßT" <[email protected]> > > Tanggal: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:07:54 -0800 > > Perihal: Muslime pigs violated the cease fire in Gaza > again > > > > By firing more rocket and mortar rounds into Israel. > > > > Time to push the muslime pigs into the sea. Let them > swim to > > their homeland: Soddy Barbaria. > > > > > "A Nizami" <[email protected]> > wrote in message > > > > news:cd61d0b1-8b20-493a-9aa6-a59ff2f7d...@p2g2000prn.googlegroups..com... > > > > === > > Paket Umrah 2009 Mulai US$ 1.1490 > > ONH Plus (Haji Khusus) Mulai US$ 5.900 > > Informasi selengkapnya ada di: > > http://www.media-islam.or.id > > Ingin belajar Islam? > > Kirim email ke: [email protected] > > > > > > --- Pada Ming, 22/2/09, Wong Lim Pok <[email protected]> menulis: > > > >> Dari: Wong Lim Pok <[email protected]> > >> Topik: [is-lam] Deterring Democracy Was RE: Ummat > Islam Tidak Radikal - > > Bls: [ppiindia] Diskusi: Radikalisasi di Sekolah > Negeri > >> Kepada: [email protected] > >> Tanggal: Minggu, 22 Februari, 2009, 9:09 PM > >> Deterring Democracy > >> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > >> Deterring Democracy > >> Author Noam Chomsky > >> Publisher Hill and Wang > >> Publication date April, 1992 > >> Media type Paperback > >> Pages 424 > >> ISBN ISBN 0374523495 > >> > Deterring Democracy is a book published in 1992 by Noam > >> Chomsky, which explores the differences between > the > >> humanitarian rhetoric and imperialistic reality of > United > >> States foreign policy and how it affects various > countries > >> around the world. > >> In the book, Chomsky explores the idea that the US > is the > >> only remaining world superpower that works to > maintain its > >> dominance, even ruthlessly employing violence such > as > >> outright invasions and overthowing governments > pursuing > >> independent economic policies. He also discusses > the large > >> difference between public opinion on the Cold > War, > >> establishment American educated opinion and > reality. > >> The book also contains criticism aimed at the > Soviet Union > >> and other communist states, but makes a major > point to the > >> fact that if the United States really supported > "freedom" in > >> the cold war, then why did it still support > authoritarian > >> regimes? The conclusion that Chomsky comes to is > that the > >> U.S did not really care about supporting freedom, > but rather > >> maintaining dominance over resources and > geopolitical > >> power. > >> [edit]Structure > >> > >> ONE Cold War: Fact and Fancy > >> TWO The Home Front > >> THREE The Global System > >> FOUR Problems of Population Control > >> FIVE The Post-Cold War Era > >> SIX Nefarious Aggression > >> SEVEN The Victors > >> EIGHT The Agenda of the Doves: 1988 > >> NINE The Mortal Sin of Self-Defense > >> TEN The Decline of the Democratic > Ideal > >> ELEVEN Democracy in the Industrial > >> > Societies > >> TWELVE Force and Opinion > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] > >> On Behalf Of A Nizami > >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:45 AM > >> To: is-lam > >> Subject: [is-lam] Ummat Islam Tidak Radikal - > Bls: > >> [ppiindia] Diskusi: Radikalisasi di Sekolah > Negeri > >> > >> > >> Buat mas Guntur Romli, ummat Islam itu tidak > radikal. Jadi > >> jangan takut / khawatir. > >> Sebaliknya anda harus fokus pada AS dan sekutunya > negara2 > >> Eropa yang tengah membantai ummat Islam di Iraq > dan > >> Afghanistan. > >> Juga > Israel yang membantai ummat Islam di Palestina. > >> > >> Menurut mereka Islam itu adalah radikal dan > teroris yang > >> harus dibasmi. > >> > >> Jadi tolong ajarkan toleransi agama kepada > mereka....:) > >> > >> --- Pada Ming, 22/2/09, MGR <[email protected]> > >> menulis: > >> > >> Deleted ... > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Is-lam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://milis.isnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/is-lam > >> > > > > > > Pemanasan global? Apa sih itu? > Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! 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