Dear Larry, Stefan, Tobias, and Andrei (as authors of the relevant Isabelle/HOL theories),

already several times I stumbled upon the definition of Relation.refl_on (and thus also Order_Relation.Refl) and was irritated.

What is the reason for demanding "r <= A <*> A"? And why are other properties from Order_Relation, which indicate an explicit domain by their name, defined by means of corresponding properties with implicit domain?

E.g., in the following definitions

  definition "preorder_on A r == refl_on A r ∧ trans r"
  definition "partial_order_on A r == preorder_on A r ∧ antisym r"
  definition "linear_order_on A r ==
    partial_order_on A r ∧ total_on A r"
  definition "strict_linear_order_on A r ==
    trans r ∧ irrefl r ∧ total_on A r"
  definition "well_order_on A r == linear_order_on A r ∧ wf(r - Id)"

I would expect properties like "trans_on", "antisym_on", "irrefl_on", and "wf_on" with explicit domain (of course that would only make sense after dropping "r <= A <*> A" from the definition of "refl_on", since otherwise r will only ever relate elements of A in the above definitions).

Now I saw that Andrei writes

  "Refl_on A r" requires in particular that "r <= A <*> A",
  and therefore whenever "Refl_on A r", we have that necessarily
  "A = Field r". This means that in a theory of orders the domain
  A would be redundant -- we decided not to include it explicitly
  for most of the tehory.

in his README to the new Cardinal theories. So this (strange?) definition of reflexivity is here to stay and used by an ever growing body of theories.

This occasionally causes me some headache when I start to think about how my definitions from the AFP entry Well_Quasi_Orders would fit in as standard definitions in Isabelle/HOL. ( do recall that the current definition of Relation.refl_on would not have worked for my proofs.)

Any comments are appreciated.

cheers

chris
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