On Wednesday, 23 November 2011, Luis Bender wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Regarding the quick start, yes, you got the point. Starting from the > Home<http://incubator.apache.org/isis/>page, if you want to quick start, you > end up following a link to the Where > to Start? <http://incubator.apache.org/isis/where-to-start.html> page, > which starts with a Maven command line. If the target audience is the > average developer, I think we should start with the environment setup and > so on, like the "Naked Objects in About Five Minutes" from your book. Makes > sense? > > Make sense. I'll have to go and look at that chapter again ;-)
The "in about 5 minutes" tag is a good way of explaining to the casual browser how much commitment we're asking from them upfront, so I think I'll try to include that also in the words somewhere. > Regarding the cool apps, choosing the right "domain" is important, I mean > dealing with a domain that makes sense for everyone and perhaps the > developer could easily change for his own use, like CRM, sales pipeline, > service desk, etc. > So, for now, I've chosen a really simple domain - and probably too simple - that of a task manager. But then again, I think that having a really complex domain makes it hard for the developer to unpick what's going on. I chose the todo list app mostly because I've been playing around with todo list manager apps on my Android phone, and was thinking about what information is needed on the backend to write a similar app using jqMobile. As per other thread this morning, I've uploaded the online demo WAR to http://restfulobjects.org/demos. Hopefully there's enough there for now. The next iteration will also bundle a very simple jqMobile app as well. In fact... for anyone reading this... why not have a go at writing a similar app in your favorite (mobile or otherwise) UI toolkit, eg SenchaTouch, jqTouch, Vaadin, GWT etc. Cheers Dan > > Cheers, > - Bender > > 2011/11/21 Dan Haywood <[email protected]> > > Thanks for this, Luis (I'm cc'ing my reply isis-dev, if that's ok). > > We do have a quick start, but from your mail I'm guessing you found it > hidden away. I think it makes sense to highlight this up on the home page > more clearly. > > In terms of cool apps, do you have any thoughts? (eg have you written one > you'd like to donate?!) > > ~~~ > A related idea to engage people is to get our apps deployed as running > demos. If we're restricting them to just the REST viewer and HTML viewer, > then I think that would be feasible. > > In terms of how to do this, one option might be to use Amazon EC2's > Elastic Bean Stalk - which can be free for micro usage, I understand ( > http://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/#pricing). If someone fancied > learning how to use this service...? > > Cheers > Dan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On 21/11/2011 17:08, Luis Bender wrote: > > Dan, > > The first experience a developer gets from playing with the framework will > very much determine if he will continue to evaluate the technology or try > something else. > > So, I think we should maximize this first experience with a very easy > step-by-step quick start and some very cool ready to run apps. > > Just my *2*ยข. > > Regards, > > Luis Bender > ProcessMind Business Process Applications > +55 11 5505-3213 Office > +55 11 8158-8820 Mobile > Skype: luis.bender > <http://www.processmind.com.br/> > website <http://www.processmind.com.br/> | > blog<http://thebpmexperience.wordpress.com/> > | bpm forum <http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/BPM-Forum/> | > twitter<http://twitter.com/processmind>| > jobone <http://www.jobone.com.br/> > > > > > 2011/11/21 Dan Haywood <[email protected]> > > There's been an interesting thread going on in [email protected] [1] about > (a) the number of podlings in the incubator and (b) how long some of them > are taking to graduate. One of the main points being made is that podlings > that have been in the incubator for a certain period of time (no-one is > suggesting how long exactly, but 1 year is being used as a strawman in the > thread) should be more explicit in defining their roadmap and action steps > towards graduation. > > To be honest, this is all very reasonable, but from Isis' point of view it > is perhaps slightly worrying, because although we've made some progress > with getting our code etc together (and the licenses, ICLAs, release > processes etc are in good shape), we haven't made a lot of progress in > attracting new committers. Indeed, arguably we've gone backwards in that > space: right now only Kevin, Rob and myself currently actively commit. > > With that in mind, Kevin, Rob and I had a skype conf call this weekend to > discuss some ideas to move Isis forward towards graduation. Obviously, > this is it's slightly against Apache policy ("if it d > >
