[Islah-Net] dua jenis air suci : Holy water vs blood of christ

[Hizamri Johari]

Kalau saya tidak tahu, sesuatu itu dusta, maka saya siarkan ia, lalu ia ditegur. Maka tahulah saya ianya salah.   Kalau ia disimpan/di perapkan, sampai bila pun saya tidak akan tahu benar/salahnya.   Apa bezanya pula, berdusta vs menuduh dusta tanpa bukti atau pengetahuan?   Apa yang saya tahu, dalam christian ada dua jenis air suci. ( kalau tak betul sila/tolong betulkan ).   1) holy water  ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07432a.htm ) 2) blood of christ ( some form of wine )   Dalam upacara Eucharistic Bapthism mereka meminum the blood of chirst. ( http://www.saint-james.net/NOMEng.htm#PrivatePrepPriest )   Mereka juga percaya dosa dapat dibersihkan dengan meminum the blood of christ. ( http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/myanmar/69/id32.htm )   Di bawah ini ada pengakuan seorang kristian akan keberkesanan/kepercayaan blood of chirst berbanding holy water.   http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=2907   i have heard it said, basically what they're saying is i'm claiming the graces merited by Christ on the Cross for you Holy Water is a sacramental which means it's a physical thing representing supernatural realities, remember it's not a good luck charm e.g. no "i'm drenched in holy water therefore i'm safe from spirital attack" it doesn't remove the free will involved in accepting grace it just makes it easier to accept cuz you can "see and feel" the grace The blood of Christ isn't the same as holy water but it seems like their phrase is intended to be similar an audible as opposed to visible sign of the grace of God I forget who it was but one of the popes claimed it was in fact a very powerful thing when it comes to spiritual warfare though it would be more accurate to say the graces the water represents are very powerful all grace comes from God and is a part of His love and therefore a part of His being, demons and evil cannot exist in the presence of God it's an all or nothing sort of thing so the evil would be no more capable of abiding the presence of Holy Water than it would the claiming of the graces merited for humanity by the cross. hope this clears it up some for you or at least muddles it to the point where you ask a professional WAllahua'lam Wassalam Hizamri     ----- Original Message ----- From: Mohd Radzi Ibrahim To: islah-net@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Islah-Net] Church Deny Thomas Laiden ever a Priest.. Apa beza dengan orang yang berbohong dan menyebarkan cerita dusta? Kalau seorang mufti mengatakan berwudhu itu dengan meminum air yasinan; boleh kah kita percaya ke-mufti-an dia? Begitu juga si Tajudin ni; dia kata baptism = minum air suci. Sedangkan baptism adalah : Form of Baptism: Among those Christians espousing the practice of baptism, the ritual is performed as: Aspersion - sprinkling water over the head, Affusion - pouring water over the head, or Immersion - lowering the entire body into a pool of water. __._,_.___ ///// JIMedia: Memurnikan Tanggapan Umum Melalui Penyebaran Ilmu dan Maklumat ////////////////////////////////// Nota: Kandungan mel ini tidak menggambarkan pendirian rasmi Pertubuhan Jamaah Islah Malaysia (JIM) melainkan yang dinyatakan sedemikian. Berminat menjadi ahli JIM? Sila isi borang keahlian "online" di: http://www.jim.org.my/, dari seksyen "BORANG Online". Langganan : Hantar E-mail kosong ke              [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsub     : Hantar E-mail kosong ke              [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "islah-net" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.