One of the links did not work. I am including the correction here: http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/57076 Who Murdered 32 Iraqi Children? (Truth Comes Out)
On 7/20/05, Nashid Abdul Khaliq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Question About Suicide In Islam > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Would appreciate your take on the following: > > I have a trusted friend who is less favorably disposed toward > Islam/Muslims than I, but he also does not have a good opinion of > Israel. > > > > He has had occasion to interview a number of teenaged American > Muslims, the vast majority of whom say they would willingly become > suicide bombers in Israel, but nowhere else. When he presses them > (suggesting optional targets) they say they would first choose Israeli > military or government targets, but if those were not accessible, > would target civilians. > > > > Granted, these are teenagers, but.......? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > LSJohn…thanks for bringing the question to our attention and seeking > answers from Muslims. This is a lot better attitude to take than the > 'know-it-alls' who seem to know Muslims and their religion better than > Muslims themselves. I wish the world would follow your example. > > Most American Muslim teenagers that I know are not really > knowledgeable about the Palestinian Israeli situation. This is > especially true in the US with some of them, just by lazy osmosis, > having bought into the media spin hook, line and sinker. I am not > accusing your friend of lying but I find the responses he claimed to > have gotten very difficult to believe. > > The response is flawed from a Muslim perspective and is very far from > Muslim thinking. The numerous statements in the Qur'an against > injustice and the example of the Prophet on numerous occasions where > he admonished his followers about taking the lives of innocents and > even destroying heedlessly plants and animals are too prevalent in > Muslim learning for the idea of killing civilians to be even casually > accepted. An example of how the Prophet (saaw) dealt with his enemies > can shed light on the correct Muslim attitude. Muhammad the Prophet > (saaw) was kind to his enemies. He was concerned for them. There was > an incident during one of the battles where children of the enemy were > killed by mistake. Muhammad the Prophet (saaw) was observed with tears > in his eyes, in pain because of the killing of innocent children, and > also for the death of all the combatants. Some of his followers tried > to sooth the Prophet by saying, "They were only the children of > Kafirs" The Prophet turned to the one who spoke, and he was visibly > angry, and said, " Aren't you the child of a Kafir?" > > > > For suicide to even be considered against military or even civilian > positions as a way of fighting from American Muslim teenagers is > really a stretch. Without going into too many details the prohibition > in Islam against suicide is very strong. But to read and listen to > this world's media broadcast about Islam, we would never know that. We > are led to believe that a religion, whose holy book, the Qur'an, > commands the following regarding suicide, is the fertile ground for > the most suicides in the world: > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: > Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most > Merciful! > > If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into > the Fire: And easy it is for God. > > Qur'an 4:29 - 4:30 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The references above in chapter 4 and other places in the Qur'an, > commands Muslims to not kill themselves and warns of severe > punishments. Suicide is strictly forbidden along with the killing of > innocents in Islam. G-d is the author of life and it is only He who > could take life or tell human beings what conditions a life should be > taken as in punishment for murder, etc. As human beings we don't own > our lives, G-d does! As such we don't have the authority to take it. > Suicide is disrespecting G-d and being ungrateful for the life he has > given us. Also from the Hadiths: > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Prophet said, "The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of > the martyr." > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If knowledge shared by a scholar is considered greater and closer to > G-d than a person dying in war for a just cause, how much further down > the scale in value is suicide in Islam especially when it is condemned > by the highest authority in our religion? If suicide was permitted > there would be many examples of the Prophet (saaw) encouraging it and > Muslim history would have been replenished with suicide as a technique > in war. But there is no such history and no such encouragement even > throughout the centuries in the Abyssinian Empire, Ottoman Empire, > Muslim Spain, Persia, the well documented Crusades, etc. > > It seems that while strongly condemning suicide, somehow Islam is the > best promoter of it. All of a sudden we have disobedient Muslims > hatching like crazy all over Iraq and Palestine. Oddly, they did not > become so disobedient until they came in contact with Israelis. I > guess there must have been something about Jews that caused Muslims to > employ a method of fighting that their Qur'an strongly condemned, the > examples of the Prophet (saaw) and all pious Muslims in the history of > Islam did not endorse, their own will to live resisted and looking at > the gains versus the cost, really was not worth it. At the same time > we have a Media that is too eager to enlighten and spread the word > about those crazy Muslims killing themselves for 72 virgins. This, by > the way, is not even in the Qur'an. Smells fishy? It should, because > it is all pure BS! I quote the following from a writer who makes this > point even more clear: > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Islam has been around for 1400 years. Is suicide a religio-cultural > tradition? Looking only at history in the last 150 years can you point > to suicide as a method of fighting the enemy? The French experience > with Muslim terrorists in Algeria had its bombers, but no suicide > bombers. The English experience in fighting the Arabs in 1918 in Iraq > was fierce, but no suicide bombers. Israel has been fighting the > Palestinians since 1948, where are the Muslim suicide bombers in those > years between 1948 and 1985? If it were a religious predilection it > would not have made a sudden appearance in Israel within the last > twenty years. Islam is a worldwide religion, fighting battles in > places far from the Palestinian conflict – before 1985 where were the > Muslim suicide bombers outside of Israel? > > > > The Myth Of The Suicide Bomber > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To answer your question in a nutshell: If indeed those were the > answers given by Muslim teenagers they were answers influenced more by > Western thought or distortion of Islam than true Islamic teachings. > The concept of killing innocents and suicide are both strongly > condemned and there is no basis for justification of either in the > religion of Islam! > > > > But who are really doing the suicide bombings since there is > justification to show that Muslims are not the most likely candidates? > One writer answers that question as follows: > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Suicide is absolutely unnatural; it is an aberration in creatures > whose instinct is to survive. It is not easy to override that > instinct. It is so contrary to instinct that stories of suicide for a > cause are few and always make us marvel: the samurai who falls on his > sword as penance for a loss in battle, the kamikaze pilot who knows he > goes to certain death, the Roman who prefers death by his own hand to > the humiliation of being killed by his enemies. There have been > Christian and Buddhist martyrs who use suicide as a demonstration of > belief and/or protest. All these are distinct from the unwilling > martyrdom of dying in conflict. > > The fact that suicide for a cause is so exceptional in our history is > one thing that makes me question the burgeoning phenomenon of the > "Muslim suicide bomber". The Japanese Kamikaze pilot is understandable > as a cultural phenomenon with roots in the concept of the samurai, but > again, this is so exceptional that we look in awe on those whose sense > of duty is so strong. Can we find a similar antecedent for this > peculiar type of martyrdom among Muslims in these last fourteen > centuries, keeping in mind the difference between dying in battle and > an intentional suicide? I don't think so. > > Are there any other instances of intentional martyrdom in all our > history that have been met with such cruel derision and mockery as the > "Muslim suicide bomber" of our time? Doesn't such a reaction by itself > make this case extraordinary? > > That suicide for a cause is anti-instinctual, exceedingly rare, and > when found, traceable to its cultural antecedents, makes me very > skeptical that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of such cases would spring > forth quite suddenly in a people, no matter what the provocation. > > > > I do not believe that Muslims were involved in 9/11, but wasn't the > notion of the suicide bomber the direct antecedent of the suicide > hijacker? I believe there were no hijackers involved in 9/11. But for > all those who buy the hijacker scenario, the preparation they have > been given to believe that Muslims have no qualms about suicide leads > directly to the conclusion that Muslims must be the culprits. > > The Myth Of The Suicide Bomber > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > We read and hear daily reports about suicide bombings in Iraq as if > that is endemic to Islam. But at the same time we have already seen > reports coming out stabbing holes in the "theory" that they were > really suicides. Numerous reports detailing how bombs were planted by > the occupational forces in car vehicles, soldiers enticing Iraqi > children with candy and then immediately rushing out of the area after > setting off bombs, trucks used by Iraqis to carry fruits and > vegetables stopped at check points only to have bombs stuck in their > barrels by soldiers, Mossad agents carrying out fake suicide bombings, > Israelis wiring retarded Palestinian boy for remote detonation to be > labeled a suicide bombing, etc. If these incidents were not found to > be what they were our too compliant media would have reported them as > suicide killings. To backup these claims I am including links to > published articles presenting these reports: > > > > > Who Murdered 32 Iraqi Children? (Truth Comes Out) > > Occupation forces CAUGHT placing bombs in unsuspecting vehicles in Iraq > > U.S. forces behind deadly children bomb > > The case of the retarded 14 yr. old suicide bomber wired by Israelis > > 2 religious soldiers believed behind J'lem fake bomb > > Mossad bombs kill 34 children > > LONDON BOMBINGS MOSSAD FALSE FLAG ATTACK SOLVED > > > > > > There are obvious benefits gained by perpetuating the myth of the > Islamic suicide bomber. Those benefits serve nicely with those who are > enemies of Islam. As in the recent case in London, it perpetuates the > propaganda that seeming innocent and decent Muslims are dangerous and > prone to suicide. In this day and age of open season attacks against > Islam for war purposes, many benefits can be gained from the myth of > the Islamic suicide bomber. A listing of some of those benefits is as > follows: > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To demonize Islam > > To make Muslims look stupid, fanatical, and murderous. > > To create worldwide terrorism that they can claim has nothing to do > with Israel, but everything to do with Islam. > > To attack those who think themselves to be allies, but are not, e.g. > America, Spain, Britain. > > To shift the blame for any bombing Zionists perpetrate onto the > Muslims, simply by calling it a suicide bombing. > > To control public opinion in favor of Israel as the most grieved > victim of terrorism. > > To justify apartheid in Israel. > > To justify war in the Middle East with the spoils of war accruing to > themselves, while the costs are borne by their "allies". > > So it's not the fundamentalism, it's not the occupation, it's not > suicide, it's not a guerilla tactic, it's the timeless strategy of the > Jews working to advantage themselves on their journey toward dominion. > > > > The Myth Of The Suicide Bomber > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > What I wrote about Islam's position on suicide and killing of > innocents is not secret, esoteric knowledge. It is common knowledge > well known and can easily be discerned by anyone doing a very > elementary study of the religion. Yet what we have today is the knee > jerk, unconscious association of the religion of Islam with suicide > bombings. Even to the point where claims of getting 72 virgins are an > Islamic prize offered for suicide. This is a cruel and ugly lie about > Islam that has been so widely perpetuated that it is accepted as fact. > Corrections to the association of Islam with suicide and the killing > of innocents are not made in the media. Instead it is glued even > tighter by reporting that not a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim > imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide. > > I have to smile at how the media even reported the London bombings. > They have made Islam to be so tightly wound up as a major factor that > writers boldly wrote about how the 4 men became more religious and how > unlike rule #2 for how to commit suicide bombings, they did not say, > "Allah-u-Akbar". The subliminal message is that becoming more involved > with Islam is the cause for suicide bombings and it is expected for > the suicide bomber to invoke Allah's name in this act. If he doesn't > then something is wrong. > > By using a prefix or suffix that ties these acts to the religion of > Islam, although it is well known that the religion of Islam strongly > condemns those actions, an ugly method of religious demonization is > employed. If we were to report Judaism's Bugsy Siegel and Catholic > Lucky Luciano as an example when they commit crimes, then the suffix > used with their names is tied into the crime as well. Subliminally the > association is made as the association is made today with so many in > the Western world with Islam to terrorism, suicide, etc. BTW...I wrote > a satire titled, Judaism's Bugsy Siegel and Mayer Lansky Kills > Innocent Children! to illustrate this very point. > > > > The ones who control the media allowing the false and dangerous > propaganda to be spewed are to blame. We need to find out who they > are. That is easy because it has been done by many. Here are two > references that will help identify them: > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > "There are no important media outlets in the US that are not owned or > controlled by Jews." — Israel Shamir > > "One is inevitably led to believe that the success of the Jews has not > been a mere coincidence. It resulted from long and arduous years of > planning, which preceded their cunning control of the world's media. > In a speech delivered in Prague in 1869, the Jewish Rabbi Yeshurun > expressed this Jewish interest in the media, when he said: 'If gold is > our first means to control the world, then the press should be our > second one.' > > "The first [Zionist] Congress, held in Basle in 1897, marked an > ominous turning point, because the participants expressed their > [desire] to implement a criminal plot to set up the State of 'Israel'. > They unanimously agreed that, unless complete control over the media, > and the press in particular, is achieved, unless they fully subdue the > press, so as to deny their enemies even one medium of __expression, > and unless they themselves act as filters of information in society, > such a state [Israel] would not reach fruition." > > http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/zionazis/DarkSecret.html > > http://www.voxfux.com/features/stranger_than_fiction.htm > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Well we know who controls the media that is perpetuating the vicious > lies about Islamic suicide bombers. They have a vested interest and > the benefits are real and measurable for them as pointed out above. > But what should be done by those who have this information and are > against them? I don't know about non-Muslims but for Muslims the > guidance is clear. Our Qur'an tells us in no uncertain terms what is > stated below. Isn't it about time that we start following this > guidance instead of believing the myths deliberately perpetuated by > our enemies? > > > > Quote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 49.006. O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any > news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and > afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Let's ascertain the truth and when the truth become known let's do all > within our power to disseminate it! > > > > -- > "Strive as in a race to achieve the > goal of excellence in all that you do." > > For real insights visit: > > http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/ > > Regards, > Nashid > -- "Strive as in a race to achieve the goal of excellence in all that you do." For real insights visit: http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/ Regards, Nashid *************************************************************************** {Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. 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