ISP-CACHING Digest for Thursday, August 03, 2000. 1. Re: caching seminars and Industry Information 2. RE: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 3. RE: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 4. Wireless ISP - complex question, part 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: caching seminars and Industry Information From: "Chris Riegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:01:07 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 Maxi... You can get great information on trends building in the caching industry = by reviewing the International Caching Workshop results....The 5th = International Caching workshop (along with links to the 4th and 3rd) are = available at http://www.terena.nl/conf/wcw/. Read and digest the papers = presented at these events....great source of information. Also there are events like the upcoming Caching Bakeoff (late September) = in Houston Texas. This is only open to vendors participating, but the = results are open to the public and are found at http://bakeoff.ircache.net/= .=20 Good information and links are also available at http://www.caching.com = which has a lot of industry news and info. Chris Riegel Stratacache >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/00 01:05AM >>> Hi all, I just want to inquire if there are forth coming events or activities on caching that you know. I just want to keep myself noted on those events. =3D) Maxi Bernales "A razor may be sharper than an ax, but it cannot cut wood."=20 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEWS YOU CAN USE Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com=20 For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley ____________ * The ISP-CACHING Discussion List * ___________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 From: "De, AbhijitX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 http://www.intel.com/netstructure/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: ISP-CACHING Discussion List digest [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:00 PM To: isp-caching digest recipients Subject: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 ISP-CACHING Digest for Tuesday, August 01, 2000. 1. Netstructure 1500 2. RE: Netstructure 1500 3. RE: Netstructure 1500 4. Callwave problems w/ cache 5. Caching Products and Skycaching 6. Re: Caching Products and Skycaching 7. Re: Caching Products and Skycaching 8. Re: Caching Products and Skycaching 9. Re: Caching Products and Skycaching 10. Re: Caching Products and Skycaching ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Netstructure 1500 From: Solomon Sokolovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:48:09 +1000 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi, Could some people inform me of the cost of the Intel Netstructure 1500 Caching Servers? Thanks Solomon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Netstructure 1500 From: "Paul Zangardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:42:45 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 Hi Solomon, We here at Cidera have spoken to some of the Intel sales reps & they quoted us a price between $11,000 & $12,000.00 ********** Paul Zangardi Consulting Engineer Cidera, Inc. - http://www.cidera.com 888.474.7600 ext. 2139 ********** -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Sokolovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Netstructure 1500 Hi, Could some people inform me of the cost of the Intel Netstructure 1500 Caching Servers? Thanks Solomon ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEWS YOU CAN USE Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley ____________ * The ISP-CACHING Discussion List * ___________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Netstructure 1500 From: "Allen, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:36:33 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 Are you looking to Buy one? Brian :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Solomon Sokolovsky [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Netstructure 1500 > > Hi, > > Could some people inform me of the cost of the Intel Netstructure 1500 > Caching Servers? > > Thanks > Solomon > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > NEWS YOU CAN USE > Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com > For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley > > ____________ * The ISP-CACHING Discussion List * ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Callwave problems w/ cache From: "Dale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:44:21 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 Hi, We have recently implemented the Cidera Cache Turbocharging system at our ISP and are quite please with it for the most part. There are some gaming sites such as zone.com and some call answering services such as callwave.com and pagoo.com that have caused problems for our customers. We have found it very difficult to get timely info from the tech folks at these places so we can exclude the IPs that don't play well with the cache. We finally had Callwave working for our customers by excluding a bunch of IPs from caching, only to have it start causing problems again recently. Apparently they made some changes to their network, but we can't get anyone from Callwave with clue to respond. In the meantime their techs are asking our customers to tell us to remove our firewall. We are waiting on word from pagoo.com as well. Any words of encouragement or techniques that can help us quickly get around issues such as this. Thanks. Later, Dale Megalink Tech Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Caching Products and Skycaching From: "Tim Maveal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:08:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are looking at Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in our BW. What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there is going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a better dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appliances can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. Any ideas? ================================= Tim Maveal Lifestyle Internet Services (775) 954-1600 ================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching From: Adam Neat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:19:42 +1000 (EST) X-Message-Number: 6 Tim, Some of the 'pre-boxed' appliances are quite good - the Cisco's have some nice gear. However, you pay for a lot of overhead that may not be needed.= =20 My recommendation is to purchase several squid boxes with some high speed drives, locate them strategically around yr network and you're bound to get a cost saving. Then again, caching alone won't get you a 45% saving in bandwidth. You may receive 45% hitrate on the proxy servers, but, murphys (is it murphys) law suggests that the more bandwifth you give your customers, the more they will use; so, its somewhat relative. Adam On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tim Maveal wrote: > We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are looking= at > Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in our B= W. > What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there is > going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a better > dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appliance= s > can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. Any > ideas? >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Tim Maveal > Lifestyle Internet Services > (775) 954-1600 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ =95 The ISP-CACHING Discussion List =95 ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:40:42 +0800 (PHT) X-Message-Number: 7 Hi, I think cacheflow will fit your need. Based on my experience, it can make a big difference and saving in BW. It can make a 58% localhit compared to squid with around 40% localhit. They are almost equal in bytes transferred. Maxi Bernales "A razor may be sharper than an ax, but it cannot cut wood."=20 On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tim Maveal wrote: > We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are looking= at > Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in our B= W. > What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there is > going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a better > dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appliance= s > can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. Any > ideas? >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Tim Maveal > Lifestyle Internet Services > (775) 954-1600 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ =95 The ISP-CACHING Discussion List =95 ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching From: "Tim Maveal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:19:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 thanks for the advice ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Neat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching Tim, Some of the 'pre-boxed' appliances are quite good - the Cisco's have some nice gear. However, you pay for a lot of overhead that may not be needed. My recommendation is to purchase several squid boxes with some high speed drives, locate them strategically around yr network and you're bound to get a cost saving. Then again, caching alone won't get you a 45% saving in bandwidth. You may receive 45% hitrate on the proxy servers, but, murphys (is it murphys) law suggests that the more bandwifth you give your customers, the more they will use; so, its somewhat relative. Adam On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tim Maveal wrote: > We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are looking at > Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in our BW. > What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there is > going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a better > dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appliances > can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. Any > ideas? > > ================================= > Tim Maveal > Lifestyle Internet Services > (775) 954-1600 > ================================= > > > > > ____________ . The ISP-CACHING Discussion List . ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NEWS YOU CAN USE Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley ____________ . The ISP-CACHING Discussion List . ___________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching From: tom minchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:49:30 +1000 X-Message-Number: 9 How do you measure the hit rate? Based on the Java applet GUI? Personally I find the object hit rate is high, but byte hit rate is less so. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:40:42AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > I think cacheflow will fit your need. Based on my experience, it can make > a big difference and saving in BW. It can make a 58% localhit compared to > squid with around 40% localhit. They are almost equal in bytes > transferred. > > Maxi Bernales > "A razor may be sharper than an ax, but it cannot cut wood." > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tim Maveal wrote: > > > We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are looking at > > Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in our BW. > > What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there is > > going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a better > > dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appliances > > can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. Any > > ideas? > > > > ================================= > > Tim Maveal > > Lifestyle Internet Services > > (775) 954-1600 > > ================================= > > > > > > > > > > ____________ * The ISP-CACHING Discussion List * ___________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > NEWS YOU CAN USE > Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com > For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley > > ____________ * The ISP-CACHING Discussion List * ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Caching Products and Skycaching From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:22:57 +0800 (PHT) X-Message-Number: 10 Hi Tom, Yes. You can see it in the Java GUI. If the object is high and byte is low, it means that cacheflow is performing well. It is retrieving object from the internet using small bytes but the hitrate is high. I have my own sets of program to have the figures based on the CF logs. Maxi Bernales "A razor may be sharper than an ax, but it cannot cut wood."=20 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, tom minchin wrote: > How do you measure the hit rate? Based on the Java applet GUI? >=20 > Personally I find the object hit rate is high, but byte hit rate is > less so. >=20 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >=20 > On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:40:42AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I think cacheflow will fit your need. Based on my experience, it can ma= ke > > a big difference and saving in BW. It can make a 58% localhit compared= to > > squid with around 40% localhit. They are almost equal in bytes > > transferred. > >=20 > > Maxi Bernales > > "A razor may be sharper than an ax, but it cannot cut wood."=20 > >=20 > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tim Maveal wrote: > >=20 > > > We are a Regional ISP and thinking of a caching solution. We are loo= king at > > > Squid, CacheFlow and Imimic. We want to achieve a 45% reduction in o= ur BW. > > > What are your views? We have about 25,000 subscribers and feel there= is > > > going to be a dialup markup in the future and want to provide a bette= r > > > dialup ISP. We want to to know if Skycaching with any of these appli= ances > > > can help us. Of course, the alternative is redundant Backbones. An= y > > > ideas? > > >=20 > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Tim Maveal > > > Lifestyle Internet Services > > > (775) 954-1600 > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ____________ =95 The ISP-CACHING Discussion List =95 ___________ > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > NEWS YOU CAN USE > > Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com > > For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley > >=20 > > ____________ =95 The ISP-CACHING Discussion List =95 ___________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ >=20 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > NEWS YOU CAN USE > Check Out http://www.siliconvalley.internet.com > For the Latest Internet News From Silicon Valley >=20 > ____________ =95 The ISP-CACHING Discussion List =95 ___________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-caching/archives/ >=20 --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to isp-caching as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 From: "Willie Twonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:57:57 +0930 X-Message-Number: 3 Does selective quoting have any meaning here? 19k for one a line advertisement - lazy or ignorant? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/08/2000 at 12:08 De, AbhijitX wrote: >http://www.intel.com/netstructure/home.htm > >-----Original Message----- >From: ISP-CACHING Discussion List digest >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:00 PM >To: isp-caching digest recipients >Subject: isp-caching digest: August 01, 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wireless ISP - complex question, part 2 From: "Bogdan Florin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:14:55 +0300 X-Message-Number: 4 I have 40 NT servers. Did you know how will work http://www.lightspeedsystems.com/ installed on this ARMY servers ? It will know to make me "traffic report" on same REPORT SERVER ? It will know to let me make a bandwith management per user or grups ? I would have difrent speed in INternal network and another speed in INTERNET (when accesing PROXY / CACHE server) How you advice me to use with CACHE / PROXY solution for a entire CITY ? Kind regards, Bogdan Florin admin & manager BIZAR Club --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to isp-caching as: archive@jab.org
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