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                Author: ASF GitHub Bot
            Created on: 23/Jan/24 05:38
            Start Date: 23/Jan/24 05:38
    Worklog Time Spent: 10m 
      Work Description: jsmucr commented on PR #4752:
URL: 
https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/4752#issuecomment-1905325738

   @jbertram Only by **very complicated** workarounds. I need to find out if 
there's an old message in a queue that's been there for a while now, and I'm 
not allowed to use DLQs for that, because it means a manual intervention on the 
broker if processing fails too many times.
   I know this method is heavy but so is our workflow here, which is pretty 
much based on wasting resources in exchange for usability and easy maintenance. 
:-)
   I understand your point of view, I really do, but I also find Artemis to be 
quite an advanced tool all by itself, and that if I slow it down by using a 
method that is heavy on resources, it's entirely my fault as an operator. 
Perhaps a page of documentation would be enough to get rid of responsibility 
here.




Issue Time Tracking
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    Worklog Id:     (was: 901115)
    Time Spent: 1.5h  (was: 1h 20m)

> Add the *FirstMessage* API for scheduled messages
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: ARTEMIS-4579
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-4579
>             Project: ActiveMQ Artemis
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: API
>    Affects Versions: 2.31.2
>            Reporter: Jan Å mucr
>            Priority: Major
>             Fix For: 2.32.0
>
>          Time Spent: 1.5h
>  Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> Alerting on issues with messages not being received properly for a period of 
> time is an uneasy task. We use the {{getFirstMessageAge()}} command to 
> trigger alerts in Zabbix, and it works as long as there are no consumers.
> But this approach fails when there are consumers repeatedly failing to 
> receive a message. That message is getting scheduled for redelivery over and 
> over, and even though there still is an old message in the queue to be 
> reported, it's no longer visible via {{getFirstMessage*()}} API.
> The goal here is to add a set of functions working with messages scheduled 
> for delivery:
> {noformat}
> getFirstScheduledMessageAsJSON()
> getFirstScheduledMessageTimestamp()
> getFirstScheduledMessageAge()
> {noformat}
> It may be not the most effective approach but it's quite a convenient one, 
> especially when monitoring a wide set of queues, each with its own set of 
> alerts.



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